Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

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Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

Ditto re: that database, please Xenia. As a teacher I have never contributed to such a thing, nor even heard of it.

I meant that people were a bit utterly believing in him and assuming there must have been cover ups when it may simply have been there was not enough credible evidence to prosecute.

Xenia are you deliberately inflammatory?

I cant see one post that has ever put Steve Messham up there with God. He is a victim of the most horrific abuse and is now a victim of shit journalism and is being abused again.

We DONT have freedom of the press, they are bound by DA notices, high court injuctions and the threat of legal action constantly. They didnt expose JS at HDLG because of the hreat of legal action.

We are told what they want us to know because they think we are too stupid to look beyond the headlines.

I no longer trust the BBC or any of them to tell me the truth.

Oops, sorry, just seen that claig has done so.

There was widespread abuse in North wales- there has been a cover up. With or without SM speaking to newsnight- he wasn't the only boy abused. Plenty more out there- although many more dead/missing - either through 'suicide' or suspicious death or just disappearing of the face of the earth.

i would have more faith in the system if it wasn't overwhelmingly obvious that there is a huge cover up that stinks of Establishment shit.

We have a lot more freedom of the press than many countries.
I am saying read the facts in the DM article link and make up minds.

Nor am I unsympathetic to people who are abused. Many go on to abuse. Many become benefits cheats - which apparently he has. As I said on this or another thread if you go into care you are more likely to end up in prison than university. We need to keep more children at home with their families or wider families and protect them better.

Abusers pick on the vulnerable - Jimmy S appears to have done too so better means of ensuring those young people can report and stop it is what we need.

So is this database similar to the one by SIMS that we use everyday for attendance registers? Yes, it has addresses and dates of birth on, as well as photos (so in a large school we know who we're talking about).
I can't see that there's anything more sinister about that than the computerised systems in doctors' surgeries.

Many become benefits cheats - which apparently he has

Xenia, he was cleared of benefits fraud.

that DM article is awful - they write that he has admitted fabricating the accusation against McA - that is not what he has done at all. i pity the people whose only picture of the world comes from reading the DM. it must be a very distorted view.

He was not a benefit cheat. He was awarded 40 000 in compensation because of the abuse which he didnt know he had to declare. He was found not guilty.

As for his involvement with the charity did you not read the article properly

The libel trial was not Messham?s only day in court. He was later charged with theft, deception and false accounting involving almost £65,000 from the charity Norwas (North Wales Abuse Survivors), which he set up. But he was acquitted of all charges

There seems to be a pattern of behaviour by the authorities to discredit this man because he hasnt shut up, committed suicide or gone missing like an awful lot of the other victims have done.

it does seem staged like that to me claig. the bbc can be used any way they wish in the spin. this time it's as a fall guy and distraction tactic.

Does this teacher's database also contain information on misbehaviour, accusations of bullying etc. Does it contain a disciplinary record of pupils? Will it be a black mark for some pupils without any ability to challenge what is on it and without parents being aware of what is being compiled on their children?

i have been out of teaching for five years now but back then there was certainly no such database that i'm aware of.

grr the DM is so vile! it's just laden with spin and cynical suggestiveness. awful rag. must.not.read.anymore.dm.links.

it's laughable claig. the idea that the DG of the bbc didn't know what newsnight was going to be covering when we were chatting about it on mumsnet ffs is ludicrous.

claig not that I'm aware of.

Shame on the DM twisting the events on SM, he is a very vulnerable Man. Bastards.

The DM is not providing unbiased facts, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That's not what the Mail does. The news editor decides what the story is, knowing what will please his bosses, the most sensational right-wing angle, and they go out and twist the facts to fit. If a reporter comes back and says, hang on, actually this fight in a public place was started by a toff not the guy with facial piercings, they spike the story.

clam, if a child has a fight in the playground and uses insults or bullies another child, do teachers have to compile reports on that? Does this go on primatry children's records? The Daily Mail often reports on similar type of things. Are they true?

'Director of civil liberties and privacy campaign group Big Brother Watch, Nick Pickles, said: 'Parents will be shocked that they are being kept in the dark about how their child's information is being gathered and exactly what it is used for.'

Have Liberty and Shami Chakrabarti who are well-known and often on our media looked into these things, or is it only small less well-known organisations like Big Brother Watch? And if it is true, why haven't other civil liberties organisations told us about it or have they?

'The database is said to be already being used by as many as 100 local authorities, according to The Sunday Times, with 22,000 schools nationwide uploading to the service to provide a 'thread' of data that is accessible to all those working with children.'

According to the Sunday Times, 22000 schools are providing data. Don't know how many schools there are in the country. If it is true, and given that the Sunday Times is reporting it, I don't doubt it, then it will eventually probably be expanded to more schools.

I know nothing about this in our LEA.

These things are not often publicised because the public might not be too pleased about the civil liberties implications, but any Big Brother initiative of a large scale cannot be hidden, since so many people are involved in uploading and using the data. It is inevitable that it will eventually get out to teh general public and it is better that the mainstream media tells the public rather than bloggers in order for 'trust to be key'.

We record behaviour, good and bad, in a database. Parents know about it, because they can log on and see the information for their child.

And of course we write reports about fights and bullying

I haven't heard of this system. Nor about LEA wide systems.