Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

[MrsjREwing]

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

Frothy, untrue. I trust no-one.

So, who does David Icke work for?

This thread is reaching into complete fruit loop territory.

Not an Icke regular. I used it for the last month to get the information out as much as possible. I have been polite, engaging and have had some very interesting discussions. Now I have been banned. There is something going on with the genuine posters and many have left or been forced out. It seems to be full of people looking for violence or retribution. They are ruining the enormous amount of genuine hard work people have done. They are posting letters they've sent to Watson which I can only describe as damaging and disrespectful.

Apparently they are being attacked by computers with BBC ip addresses. So either the BBC are hijacking and infiltrating (risky and easy to find out) or the forum/mods have an agenda.

Why is his site going down then if he is part of a conspiracy? His posters on the forum were saying their Pc's were being attacked too.

Pag, I didn't realise that it was a seriously held view that Icke was completely sane and made up his belief in lizards. I thought he just meant well and had gone off the deep end.

MrsjREwing,

Who knows? Do you think the BBC would be so obvious as to attack the site and leave IP address finger-prints all over it? I don't.

Pagwatch, it depends what you call fruit loop territory. Personally, I believe there is the media, politicians, high- ranking police and the super-rich. Then there is the rest of us. This elite has many corrupt people conspiring with one another.

I find this all very odd this afternoon.

The past month has been very odd and distressing.

'Why is his site going down then if he is part of a conspiracy?'

One possibility would be that it makes it look like he is for real. I don't believe that the elite are scared of Icke. In general Icke only says stuff that is already all over the web.

Remember that in Orwell's 1984, the villain who attracted teh "two minute hate" from the "plebs", worked for Big Brother all along.

I'm going to step away from the paranoia for a bit.

If you want to build up enough steam to get people upset enough and to see what is going on, you don't do that by alienating them too much.

Just a thought.

Linerunner, he's just a bloke, with ideas. Like everyone else. He's got books to sell, like Mumsnet have advertising space to sell (I assume, I use Adblock). Trust no-one.

For what it's worth, I take his lizard theory as an allegory. Does anybody really take the Bible literally?

Paranoia can be very useful sometimes. It's natural. Use it. Everyone has an agenda. Once the damn breaks all and sundry will be adding their agenda to the mix so try to think clearly.

Sorry for the derail. I trust isupposeimabitofafraud no less than anyone else.

Claig's thinking clearly.

I have not read 1984, what's that all about? Like war of the worlds?

I feel like I've come late a party and am not quite getting the 'vibe'.

Ignore me. I clearly need time to ponger.

ponder!

isupposeimabitofafraud

You're assuming Icke had anything to do with organising this. It was just a thread on his forum. That'd be like saying the owner of this site had threads deleted because she was married to the Dep Editor of the Guardian ;)

I am just constantly puzzled that what known, what is mainstream public information is not enough.
The child abuse scandals speak to terrible human weakness - a pathetic desire to hold celebrities as glamorous and benign and the fact that no one had the balls to speak clearly and openly about what was actually going on.

The more people go on about elite conspiracies to subordinate the plebs the more unrealistic it becomes. The capacity of humans to be shallow and self serving, spineless and amoral seems bottomless. But underground elites orchestrating some kind of sleek intellectual domination plan leaves me cold. Because people are fucking useless. They blunder and can't keep secrets and leave briefcases on trains and get found out.
My faith in the crapness of dull witted Brits leaves me hopeful.

My abuse wasn't hushed up because of a Masonic conspiracy. It just seems so dreadful and implausible to ordinary folk that no one could quite believe it. That disconnect was common in that era.

Ponger

isuppose, I think ha was being ironic.
No one can be trusted blindly or believed blindly because no one knows the real answer as to exactly how the system works. We can only guess and theorize from watching political events and trying to understand what is going on.

Iain Overton tweeted that a senior Tory political figure would be revealed on Newsnight. It didn't happen, but it was already all over twitter.

The Overton window has been shifted and what seemed incredible to the public a week ago, now is no longer incredible. But it didn't really take Newsnight to do it, because I think Newsnight had to say something since the Overton window had already shifted for millions of people who were landing on Icke's site and other sites for teh first time in their lives and were shocked.

MrsjREwing, you should read it. Though you will find yourself going a bit potty afterwards with everything going on now!

Linerunner, I'm not surprised. Lots of 'Doublespeak' going on.

I wish media studies didn't get the ridicule it does. It has much purpose in every day life, even if you don't have a career in media, if it is taught well.

MrsjREwing, 1984 is about Big Brother etc.
Jo Brand, I think, chose it as her favourite book of the 20th century. Orwell gave us an insight into how systems really work.

In fact

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

ain't a bad summary and explanation of a huge amount of stuff going on right now.

Right, disappearing for a bit.

'I wish media studies didn't get the ridicule it does.'

I agree. I used to knock media studies in typical Daily Mail fashion, but I was wrong. I don't know exactly what it covers, but if it promotes critcial thinking and understanding of media agendas and messages, then it is very important for society and politics.