Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

[MrsjREwing]

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

[Uninformed]

If it was Waterhouse who ordered the destruction of the photographs, well, he died in 2011, so we'll never know what his reasons were!

[swallowedAfly]

no NOT just like gays born in the 1950's - not like that at all ffs.

there is NO comparison. it's not merely an 'illegal' act it is an act of abuse. homosexuality = 2 consenting adults. old man having sex with a child = something very different.

seems you're determined to prove DC right xenia.

[TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern]

My sympathy disappears when they make the choice to abuse, and then make the choice to abuse again and again, and the choice to cover it up, and the choice to harm the victims even further in the process of covering it up.

I'm not sure why we're talking about the poor people who were abused as children and managed NOT to continue the abuse, when this whole issue is about a series of abusers such as Savile who abused repeatedly and without compunction. It seems like a bit of a distraction from the actual victims of actual abuse, even if we are not yet clear who the abusers were and whether or not they were household name politicians.

[ssd]

oh aitch, keep your wee to yourself

[Darkesteyes]

and i would like to see more compassion and consideration in your posts towards benefit claimants Xenia and a bit less inverted racism in your posts. But i think we can all agree thats not going to happen is it?!

[Darkesteyes]

You mean compassion and consideration like this Xenia?



XeniaThu 13-Sep-12 08:48:58
SOme people will always be poor and make up excuses and say impossible. Others get on with things and improve their lives. I hope we can remain a country where there are sufficient people with the personal values to make something better of themselves whatever it take. I accept and have said on iother threads that there is a problem once you start earning in a new business in coming off benefits althoug the new single benefit is going to make it easier - there was a letter in the Times about it last week - you can work for a year to get your self employed business going so things are imjproving thanks to this Government.

Just look at those who have moved here from abroad to see what is possible. I advise them all the time. They are wonderful, hard workers etc I hvae so much more in common with them than the fat lumpen negative white benefit claimants of the UK.

[AitchTwoOhOneTwo]

[Xenia]

It's a sad day when my encouraging hard workers and suggesting compassion for people with a sexuality which is illegal is regarded as somehow wrong. I have never said they should not exercise their nature where that breaks the law and the protection of children is always paramount.

I am also in favour of the current investigations.

[swallowedAfly]

it's not a sexuality and it's legality is the least of the concerns. saying they shouldn't exercise their 'nature' because it breaks the law is highly distasteful - it seems to imply the only issue is legality. it's not a speed restriction on a quiet road, it is basic child protection.

[swallowedAfly]

you know you actually are sounding like you might have been a PIE member.

[AitchTwoOhOneTwo]

Xenia's been posting here for years, she's sound. she's different, sure, but sound.

[Xenia]

I don't know what that stands for, but I have never said anywhere abuse of children was fine. I think even parents who slap or smack their children should be prosecuted and videoed and shown on youtube.

However I do feel we don't address causes and nor do we give any place for help and I very much dislike the witch hunt mentality that has arisen in the UK on this topic. It is the lynch mob thing - taking law into own hands, going after people accused for things not yet convicted and the like.

[Darkesteyes]

the fat lumpen negative white benefit claimants of the UK



And how do you explain the racist comments Xenia?
Only in Xenia world could peadophiles get more sympathy than people who have lost their jobs in a recession

[AitchTwoOhOneTwo]

i doubt they're the people she was referring to. btw it's not fair to C&P from other threads, for all we know she was answering a very specific point.

[Pagwatch]

Is the whole thread going to be about Xenia now. Because that got dull about 10 threads about Xenia ago.

[Xenia]

I think it's been rather taken out of context. I didn't say all the poor are fat in the UK although indeed surveys show your class largely determines if you are obese. My point was that whatever your skin colour and plenty of immigrants are white - Poles etc - you tend to work hard because you are the one who has the gumption to move abroad. It is the same the other way round. British people who move abroad have had the get up and go and pushed themselves. I don't think it's a racist comment at all. Do people save elements of my posts? I sometimes think I have so many fans and they seeking to take a PhD in Xenia posting history.

There is virtually nowhere in the UK you can post a comment suggesting compassion for those with a different sexuality such is the public stigma. I find it hard to understand sexual interest in children and most of us are not made that way - it is the secondary sexual characteristics which leads to attraction for most adults, breasts etc However there has been a core of people mostly male in most cultures always who have been attracted to children. I wish we spent more time looking at what causes that and then we might find we could alter it stop it and save the conflicts and problems those people with this issue have.

[swallowedAfly]

it is a bit of a theme: threads turning into being all about xenia and her need to be controversial.

have just watched the sky interview with another alleged victim. sickening stuff - to realise how easy it is to manipulate deprived children - that sweets, booze and a chance to see big ben could be incentive enough to keep silent about and put up with old men raping you the guy kept saying 'you wouldn't give up your seat on the bus would you?' to the interviewer and the interviewer seemed to be implicitly saying yes he would but given the same environment and life as those boys i doub he would have.

[swallowedAfly]

it's not a sexuality and they are not attracted to children in the sense that so and so is attracted to tall, dark rugby types. they are attracted to the their vulnerability - the power inversion of abuse of it IS the attraction. it's not they fancy children it is they fancy abusing vulnerable innocents. there is a very clear distinction in anyone right minded i think.

the sickness of character is the foundation imo - that foundation leads to many outlets, getting off on fucking children being one of them.

[partridgetree]

A very close family member attended a meeting with health professionals, care workers etc plus some paedos who were willing to talk about their sexual feelings and actions.
One was asked when he first saw a child as a sexual 'partner' and his answer was 'from birth'.

There is no place in society for this type of person nor his perversion. No amount of freephone paed helplines funded by the NSPCC, yes you read that correctly, will help these people.

They do not deserve to live imo.

[wildstrawberryplace]

Yes, swallowedafly, you are right - it's not the love that dare not speak its name for god's sake.

It's someone who gets off on the thrill of violating an innocent, subduing their spirit and exerting their power and control over them. These guys are cruel sadistic ruthless men.

It's no accident that many of them rise to positions of power, in the community, in the church, in politics. They thrive on it.

Many paedophiles are also "happily married", leading double lives, having carefully chosen their spouse - usually someone who they have power over in some way, emotionally/intellectually whatever. They pick people who they know won't believe accusations against them.

The idea of the lonely, tortured paedophile in the grubby kagoul and NHS specs living alone and chaste but occasionally tempted through no fault of his own, is frankly ridiculous. In this "loner" scenario it's likely to be a power issue as well - can't control adults, or be a powerful adult, but can feel powerful when you're abusing children.

Rape is not about sex it is about power; paedophilia is not about sex it's about abuse of power.

[ssd]

does anyone else get sickened by the tone of voice DC uses when discussing this abuse, the same tone he used with Phillip Schofield?

Its like the tone a teacher uses with a naughty child

who does he think he's patronising?

why does he have to adopt that tone, it sets my teeth on edge, that and the way he leans forward when speaking, like he's giving an idiot a row


gggrrrr

[MadameDefarge]

aaaaagh. i disagree with so many things xenia has said, including some dirctly to me concrning my ds. but on this one she is fine. and reasonable. please read and process her comments before squacking your indignation. and i speak as a child abuse survivor.

[MadameDefarge]

squacking? something loud and thoughless anyway...

[Pagwatch]

'Sickened'? By a tone of voice.
Regarding this issue?

Er, no. I save 'sickened' for things like abuse.

And he was talking to Philip Schofield who was doing something spectacularly thick so talking down to him like he was an idiot was fairly apt.

Madame - I fel your pain. Having to defend Xenia and David Cameron on one thread is making me feel quite peculiar.