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Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

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MrsjREwing · 02/11/2012 11:53

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

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Mrcrumpswife · 04/11/2012 14:32

simianpress.com/tag/derek-laud/

What i dont understand is we have very articulate people blogging and naming names, dates and links with photos and stating that these people have committed the most heinous crimes and yet no one accused is suing these bloggers for slander or defamation.

We see celebritys running off to court for the most silly infractions on their character, yet nothing from the elite.

Does this mean innocence or arrogance?

isuppose i also thought your post was great.

claig · 04/11/2012 14:41

I think the reason is that it can't be stopped in the modern age with twitter and blogs. Icke was also never sued. If someone sues then it goes to court and there is even more publicity. The elite wants teh mainstream media not to report it because they know that is what teh "plebs" believe. The bloggers and twitterers are trerated as if they are all "lizard" believers and so are discounted by the "plebs".

isupposeimabitofafraud · 04/11/2012 14:43

Bloggers still lack credibility. And I'm sure that people who are very able in PR or have a background in politics perhaps have a much better understanding of the Barbara Streisand Effect than someone like Giggs or Starr.

Regardless of whether they are innocent or guilty, they are fully aware that commenting on it, or taking legal action would end their reputation due to the fact that it then means the mainstream press are free to report and they then become a story in their own right.

I think its akin to the propaganda technic 'controlling the agenda'. They loose that if they sue at this stage. Suing only become worth it when it hits the mainstream as the story has already got out of control and it then becomes about containment.

Not to mention as claig says, they can't sue everyone in the era of social media. And attempts to sue individuals creates martyrs and has the effect of fuelling anger of blog supporters.

claig · 04/11/2012 14:48

Excellent post, isuppose. That is it.

LineRunner · 04/11/2012 14:49

I've never really understood David Icke. Which is probably a good thing, in some ways.

I used to think that it was best to assume 'lizards' was some kind of metaphor for 'freemasons', or possibly for the whole wolf-in-sheep's-clothing concept. I can see why, if he knows enough that is vile and actually true, that it might send him off the deep end.

I mean, there actually have been horrific widespread cover-ups, since Heath and Thatcher. Through Major. Through Blair and Brown. And into Cameron.

Icke is looking fragile, but he is not looking like a deliberate liar.

Mrcrumpswife · 04/11/2012 14:53

I hadnt looked at it like that before. A non story of guess work and conjecture becomes a real story if you sue. No wonder they havent bothered with DI.

Sally Bercow has just tweeted 'why is Lord McAlpine trending?' innocent face

Bet she will be in the dog house!

isupposeimabitofafraud · 04/11/2012 14:57

Sally Bercow isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer to be honest.

Mrcrumpswife · 04/11/2012 14:59

Ooooooh, i love her! i dont think her brain engages before her mouth opens, reminds me of meGrin

claig · 04/11/2012 14:59

LineRunner, there is no need for Icke to use metaphors such as "lizards", because he already talks about freemasons and names people like Savile and others. The only reason to use "lizards" is if he really believes that, or more likely in order to be able to allow "lizards" to be used as a discredit mechanism so that the "plebs" don't believe bloggers, twitterers and those "crazy conspiracy theorists".

LineRunner · 04/11/2012 15:01

claig, excuse me if I appear obtuse on this but why would Icke want to discredit his own narratives?

claig · 04/11/2012 15:06

'why would Icke want to discredit his own narratives?'

If he works for the elite in order to discredit conspiracy theories so that the "plebs" carry on watching soaps

isupposeimabitofafraud · 04/11/2012 15:18

Why would Icke want to discredit his own narratives?

Because if everything he started to say was proved to be true and was straight down the line he becomes a target to be silenced. Not only that, if he conformed to the mainstream he stands to be accused of being part of the system and establishment himself.

Its a highly intelligent approach, and actually no where near as bonkers as people might think. Its a way that encourages a mentality of 'seeing the light' in a quasi-religious manner (think tv envanglists) to those who sign up to it.

Icke is looking fragile, but he is not looking like a deliberate liar.

If he is fragile and paranoid he is a danger with new found power and a worshipful following. Not just to elites but to normal people.

Great and sudden shifts of power create power vacuums which are always a worry.

Hence why I look at what he says with an enormous amount of caution and urge others to do so too.

Don't get me wrong, I think conspiracy theorists are very much needed, but I fear them gaining too much power especially is its too quickly too.

ha3782 · 04/11/2012 15:19

isupposeimabitofafraud

I don't trust you one bit. Others beware.

Regards,

ha3782.

Pagwatch · 04/11/2012 15:24

What the jeff?

JakeBullet · 04/11/2012 15:25

Yep...I don't understand that post either.

isupposeimabitofafraud · 04/11/2012 15:26

Yeah ok mate.

Conspiracy theory teaches you to question everyone and everything. The moment you are incapable of critically being able to question your 'leader' you have crossed the line into worship.

If your principle and the thing you believe in is transparent and accountable leadership and government, then being unable to question Icke is dangerous and your post actually serves to prove the point brilliantly.

FrothyOM · 04/11/2012 15:29

I think she is right ha3782.

A lot of people are becoming disillusioned with the mainstream media. I know I am. If we are not careful that void could be filled by some dangerous individuals.

isupposeimabitofafraud · 04/11/2012 15:29

ha3782 said they were a DI regular upthread.

I think he thinks I'm 'the enemy' tbh.

LineRunner · 04/11/2012 15:29

OK. I hadn't realised that there was such thinking about Icke.

MN tells me something new every day.

ha3782 · 04/11/2012 15:30

I don't trust Icke anymore than I trust you.

FrothyOM · 04/11/2012 15:30

I think ha swallows eveything Icke says hook line and sinker.

ha3782 · 04/11/2012 15:31

The Icke thread has desintegrated.

ha3782 · 04/11/2012 15:32

One can use the Icke forum as research/info dump without trusting Icke himself.

FiercePanda · 04/11/2012 15:33

The DI website is dead in the water now. Can't get a connection at all.

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