Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

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Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

I couldn't connect but it could be due to high traffic.

Thanks tired

Someone must be very worried but its all too late, the 'plebbs' have seen it all

What is going on?

Nigella the interview with Leah was very telling. I'm glad John hemming is still plugging away even if he isnt getting very far yet.

sorry Sonia Poulton is a great Daily Mail columnist rather than a reporter

Think David Ickes site is suffering overload. Plus threads which are 500 odd pages long don't help databases. It is working intermittently.

I thought Helena looked uncomfortable as Portillo was talking, but I could have been projecting as I felt uncomfortable. Everyone on the show must know of the rumours and even if they think they are false it must have felt uncomfortable.

She is, claig, and one that hasn't engaged in demonising disabled benefit recipients. Quite the opposite, actually. That's why I like her.

I'm not a member on the DI site but have been reading the JS thread. It's been fine for me until today, now when I try to visit the site I get "database error" messages and have to refresh multiple times before getting back on. Posters on there are complaining about real trouble logging in, errors, and their peerblock software detecting issues. I would take a guess that "someone" isn't happy with what the forums are saying.

John Hemming does lots of good work for people. Let's hope he gets some backing.

Threatening whistleblowers must be outlawed

So other than Lizzards, Savile and Heath what else has DI commented on?

Escatly, FrothyOM. She follows no party line, she says it as she says sees it - something that is all too rare.

agree, claig

I'm curious as to why the BBC invited Portillo on this morning.

David Icke covers just about most of the political and financial conspiracy stuff and lots of it is true, but don't go believing everything he says, because his new age type stuff is off the wall, in my opinion, and I think is deception.

What political and financial conspiracies?

Everything - global warming, deliberate financial crash, deliberate austerity, global government, vaccines etc. etc.

He is not the only conspiracy theorist. He says what many others have said years and years before him, except for the new age agenda deception.

The new world order stuff, do you believe that?

I don't blame conspiracy for most of them. I do blame enormous incompetence and party politics for pandering to populist agendas and consistently shoving problems under the carpet and hoping and praying that they don't rear their ugly heads in their term in office.

We have an epidemic of people in authority being unwilling to take control of problems and take responsibility and instead playing a game of pass the parcel with the blame. A good leader should be able to hold hands up and say "hey I made a mistake, we need to try a different strategy", but modern politics does not allow for that which is a monumental failing.

Again I do think the public bears a certain amount of responsibility for this problem by being unwilling to accept bad news and difficult decisions. Greed and materialism can not solely be blamed on the elite and the system.

As for the site going down. Definitely don't see anything sinister about it, and its very very explainable. It just highlights the level of paranoia going on that people are automatically jumping to the worst conclusion.

it's more likely that the DI servers can't cope with the workload at the moment.

Do I believe that there is an elite who blackmail and control some corrupt and depraved individuals, so that they can push through their political agenda and control the "plebs". Yes, I think that is the case, but I am always open to the possibility that I may be wrong.

The problem with Icke, as Claig has mentioned, is that he mixes up 90% truth with a good dose of bullsh*t to spice it up.

He has promoted Cathy O'Brien who is clearly a fraud. And that, in turn, taints the true victims of powerful paedophile rings and they end up being accused of fantasising -- as Sir Ronald Waterhouse proved.

The elite won't go down, they never do. They change hats and change parties and faces and carry on as before. The "plebs" are manipulated. Sometimes there is a battle among the elite to gain control over a rival elite faction, and information is leaked to the "plebs" to put pressure on the opponents of one camp in the elite.

Now the BBC is taking a bashing, before it was riding high.

Always going to happen whoever is in power imho though claig. I doubt that any system of leadership is immune from that. Its the very nature of power and power is always going to attract unpleasant individuals too.

I don't think the plebs need controlling a lot of the time. I think general apathy and simple satisfaction about the little bubble you live in is sufficient. Most people aren't interested in things beyond their little world, so as long as they are happy.

I find it interesting that there is a tipping point for revolution. An unemployment rate of 30% is connected with massive shifts of power. Basically, when the masses are no longer happy with their lot in life...

It takes a lot for people to be upset enough to protest on mass.

Agree, Hummingbirds, that's why Icke talks about lizards in order to discredit the real conspiracies. Lots of people believe he is a new age, New World Order proponent. Watch "David Icke Debunked" on youtube to see that some of his new age beliefs are simialr to teh elitist Theosophical views of Madame Blavatsky and Alice Bailey etc.

At the Oxford Union debate on youtube, you can see him sum up his speech with teh usual "all you need is love" lie that deceives teh people, where he says that teh problem with teh world is that it has been ruled by the head and not the heart. That is new age, touchy-feely, hug a hoodie propaganda that deludes naive people into abandoning reason so that they cannot see what is being done to them by those who do reason.

I wondered if DI had a breakdown, knew about Savile from working at the BBC, learned other conspiracies along the way and wrapped it all up.

Isuppose I thought your long post was very good.