Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

[MrsjREwing]

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

I've read a couple of times a rumour about Jill Dando having been interested in the care homes scandals. Does anyone know if this is true?

realistically the headmistress just talks in the way it was acceptable to talk about young girls who are sexual in those days and in the way that many people still think about girls who are sexual now but are young or savvy enough to know they can't publicly express.

i worked on a secure 'behavioural unit' back in the 90's which was actually a ward full of victims or horrendous childhood sexual abuse suffering intense post traumatic stress. they were treated as deviants not victims. a sexualised girl is a 'bad girl' regardless of whether she had any choice in that sexualisation. it is tragic but true.

Don't know, but wasn't she very matey with Cliff Richard?

If you haven't read Tom Watson's blog today YOU MUST

www.tom-watson.co.uk/

Snippet:
I?m not going to let this drop despite warnings from people who should know that my personal safety is imperilled if I dig any deeper. It?s spooked me so much that I?ve kept a detailed log of all the allegations should anything happen.

there are so many 'obvious' people aren't there?

Wiki on Dando's murder reads like a planned execution, and it seems that the police always want to see as that, but it didn't go that way.

"The original police investigation had explored the possibility of a professional killing. But since Dando was living with her fiancé and was only rarely visiting her Gowan Avenue house, it was considered unlikely that a professional assassin would have been sufficiently well informed about Dando's movements to have known when she was going there. CCTV evidence of Dando's last journey (mainly security video recordings from the Kings Mall Shopping Centre in Hammersmith, which she visited on her way to Fulham) did not show any sign of her being followed.[17] Her BBC colleague Nick Ross stated on Newsnight on the night of her death that retaliatory attacks by criminals against police, lawyers and judges were almost unknown in Britain. Finally, forensic examination of the cartridge case and bullet recovered from the scene of the attack suggested that the weapon used had been the result of a workshop conversion of a replica or decommissioned gun. It was argued that a professional assassin would not use such a poor quality weapon. The police therefore soon began to favour the idea that the killing had been carried out by a crazed individual acting on an opportunist basis. This assumed profile of the perpetrator led to the focus on Barry George."

Yes, Dando was apparently a devout Christian.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/10/24/margaret-thatcher-s-former-aide-refuses-to-apologise-for-hillsborough-press-briefing-100252-32091474/

There's people on MN still prepared to laud the Thatcher Years, believe it or not.

It's no wonder children were abused, if people with attitudes such as Ms Jones were in charge.

Tom Watson's blog is very concerning.

I agree, QuickLookBusy - and it doesn't help the matter when people excuse such attitudes as just the culture of that time

hang on, people slagging off ms jones, have you bothered to read the blog post by her former pupil?

we are all products of our times, it's just absolutely dense to pretend that's not the case.

The main thing is that we get the police to look at all the allegations again with a fresh light and on the basis that if there is enough evidence and people are prepared to go on oath about what happened that proceedings should follow and for the future and now ensure that every child knows what is unacceptable in how it may be treated and whom to call if there is a problem and be assured that call will be taken seriously.

The blog isn't at odds with the view of Miss Jones presented by the media. She liked some of the girls and considered them her special chosen ones to be advised on progressing in life (annaracoon), and some of them she thought were beyond redemption. Karin Ward's testimony backs Miss Jones up in her view of the girls in one sense, she says things like well we knew when it happened that it was the price of having a day out to London, to escape for a day, she even said something like "that was what we were worth".

no one is "pretending" anything

i agree, hellatwork, that's what i was talking about when i spoke of an accepted currency. also these were 'disturbed and intelligent' girls, what on earth had brought them there in the first place, who had failed them up to that point?

if this ms jones was in on the savile thing, string her up. but if she wasn't, then vilifying soemone who probably had a very, very hard job to do at the time and was one of the few adults in their lives with decent motives just isn't making progress. and all teachers have favourites, i hardly think that the instinct for preference can be drilled out of human beings just cos it's not exactly 'fair'.

twitter.com/smessham

Bless him, brave man.

It is a really difficult issue if we want Parliament to seek to set itself above the courts in naming people. John Hemming has done it.

If one of us were on the list and were innocent and had done nothing wrong and were named in Parliament and we lost our jobs and lives without due process and a trial we might find it rather unfair.

They are very difficult issues. Much better of course if the police can obtain enough evidence to prosecute and if there is no evidence then innocent people wrongly accused do not have lives destroyed.

What a strange time we live in when i am actually worried about Tom Watsons and now Steven Messhams safety because everything seems so corrupt and dangerous right now.

Where on earth is all of this heading

I am not sure it is any worse than it has ever been and the freedom of the press and ability for ordinary people to use the internet and social media in a sense is protective for them and a huge step forward from the days when in say the 1920s we never learned anything much which the powers that be wanted to hide.

It has always been terribly hard to prosecute where evidence is from damaged vulnerable young people who keep changing their stories and may not choose to give evidence as in some of the recent cases but not impossible. The prosecution of the men who abused the girls in Rochdale did go through - although the men were Asian so probably had few strings to pull and not much influence.

Good move for him getting on twitter. When is David Cameron going to meet with him? Have just retweeted his request to meet with DC.

Why aren't more MPs using Parliamentary privilege as Tom Watson is? It now becomes clear most of the MPs new Peter Morrison MP was a child abuser. How comes they're not on the receiving end of the same vitriol aimed at the BBC?

I really hope, MrCrumpsWife, that where it's heading towards is justice for the victims and survivors of abuse, both from years ago and current. I really hope.
Also that the adults who let them down so badly by not doing their jobs properly are brought to justice.

I hope you are right Nigella