Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

[MrsjREwing]

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/andrea-davison-jimmy-savile-serco-and.html

These people need to be exposed and charged if appropriate. There was a whole culture in those days of inappropriate behaviour wrt to children and sexuality. I remember when I was very young local men in Ireland where I lived who were known for this sort of thing were referred to in bit of "what is he like" kind of way. We had babysitters when my sister and I were quite young who behaved inappropriately with us but I don't remember us ever telling anyone or being particularly distraught as it was common. I don't think anyone from those days was ever prosecuted although if it was now they would be in serious trouble.

Margaret Jones -

The school was always open with visitors ? magistrates, councillors, MPs ? and I encouraged the girls to talk to whoever they wanted to talk to. I never stopped them. So they've no excuse, these girls.
'If they didn't tell me about Jimmy Savile, they deserve all they get. They should've reported him

Vile, just vile.....

The school was always open with visitors ? magistrates, councillors, MPs ? and I encouraged the girls to talk to whoever they wanted to talk to. I never stopped them. So they've no excuse, these girls.

is this vile? isn't she saying that she ran an open unit? i'd have thought that might have seemed like progress. she says that she really didn't know about it, and the blog from the woman who lived there seems to back her wholly. i wouldn't be so quick to judge her, if that blogger won't.

They deserve all they get?

Really??????

I am so massively FUCKED OFF that HQ deleted my comment about Xenia.

I raised my eyebrows too - it wasn't a personal attack, Xenia is often deliberately controversial.

Thanks Feenie.

I wouldn't want ANYONE to think I'd said something on this subject that deserved a deletion :(

Tom Watson has updated his blog

www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/11/10-days-that-shook-my-world

I have seen similar behaviour too on other threads.

Pinot didn't deserve deletion. She pointed out a 'winding up' tendency and advised Do Not Engage.

I thought Xenia much too thick-skinned to report such things. So who on earth did?

Oh and mignonette I agree that the quote attributed to M Jones, that the girl victims in her care somehow 'deserved' their abuse, to be vile - though very telling.

Cheers Line :) You are wise as well as beautiful

I think that the assumption that child abuse is simply a manifestation of a sexual attraction to children is naive - it is like suggesting that rape is only ever about sexual attraction.

It is about power, control, the desire to hurt, to dominate, to humiliate.

To suggest that dealing with attraction to children would end child abuse is ridiculous.

Agree with you mignonette, and I doubt that Xenia would have reported because she often takes much more criticism than that

I agree pag there is a culture in this country of the 'untouchables' which is very very scary

If Tom Watson is already getting threats then some people must be very worried.

Time for another 'We Believe You' thread for all those courageous people coming forward.

I have a natural attraction to adult men, but no-one needs to run prevention courses and help-lines for me and women like me to stop us going round attacking and abusing them. Many of us manage in our whole lives to not do anything non-consensual or harmful to a single other person.

The 'natural attraction' issue is a red herring.

The real issue like Pag suggests is some really nasty. selfish choices made by criminals.

Agree with pagwatch.

And Linerunner, yes, yes and yes.

yes but 'really nasty selfish choices' supported by society realistically. supported by the collective fantasy machine that is pornography nowadays and was benny hill then.

REALLY want to find stuff on who was released and when.

I'm a bit out of the loop here. Am abroad, no Newsnight.

I think when Jason Swift was murdered, and he was characterised not as a brutally murdered child of 15 but as a 'rent boy' (ffs), that that was the work of the collective cover-up.

Make the victims the questionable ones. Put their parents on the back foot.

It has been mooted that Operation Orchid got the procurers; but that they never got the wealthy clients.

Nap - I think that blog concerns only the events of Duncrofts during 1964/65 and therefore can only speak to allegations from that time. IIRC Karin Ward and another woman from Duncrofts were speaking about events in the 70s? I don't doubt her view and experience of Duncrofts, but it doesn't have to be at odds with what others have experienced. There's no question that Miss Jones allowed JS to stay there and she does appear to hold a strange view of sexual exploitation of vulnerable children and teens. AnnaRacoon sounds level-headed and all but I think she was one of Miss Jones' favourites and experienced a very different relationship with Miss Jones than other girls did, who Miss Jones deemed unsaveable or unworthy of saving or too difficult to engage with or were hell-bent on self-destruction due to abuse they had already suffered. However, if anyone lives near to Liverpool University she was telling journalists to go and check the National Archives up there.