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Are you in favour of Scotland leaving the UK?

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LadyMaryCreepyCrawley · 15/10/2012 18:39

Lucky bastards! Sad

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JollyJackOLantern · 17/10/2012 07:13

Where did you get that figure, Charlie? That's a useful one.

HecateLarpo · 17/10/2012 07:20

I am not in favour of it nor against it.

tbh, I don't know enough about it to decide either way.

Will it be the signing of a paper and off you go, or would scotland expect to leave with a financial package?

Does Scotland have the money to exist as a separate country, with zero input from the rest of the UK? What would happen if it turned out that they didn't? Would they rejoin the UK?

Does the rest of the uk have the money to survive without scotland?

In fact, if scotland, england, wales and ireland were all independent, would each be able to function? Has it been demonstrated that they can all manage financially on their own?

The only option I don't like is independence in every way but financial.

And that's not just about scotland, that's in every situation. Including your kids Grin You want to be independent, make all your own decisions, have me have no say at all? That's fine, but get yourself a job and pay your own way because my bank closes the day you move out! Grin I do think that a country that wants to be independent should be independent. That would be my only stipulation, if it was my decision.

JollyJackOLantern · 17/10/2012 07:36

And kauama I said I didn't understand your post. I see what you mean now and don't disagree.

MerlinScot · 17/10/2012 09:57

Charlie, where you got that figure nobody knows..... You can't take Luxembourg or Malta as an example, as well as Vatican City or Monaco, that would be really a laughable one....
Instead, take Latvia / Croatia / Slovenia and all the new independent countries as an example. Then I can accept your point of view as reasonable. Then you'll also have to explain me why Latvian and Polish people invaded UK if they were living so well where they came from.

Concerning renewable energies, I guess you'll be delighted to exploit your own sources, meaning the ones you have south of Scotland. Up here we're sick of turbines and to be honest we're gathering signatures and petitions to have no more - When you'll be surrounded by windfarms, post your opinion about the renewable energies.

It is funny that nobody has a clue about economics and above all, nobody has a clue about what means being in the European Union "out" of the UK.
To be honest, you're enjoying here big wages and low life cost if compared to the other countries and nobody wants to see that.
I've been living in another European country for most of my life, the introduction of the euro currency destroyed our lives, our wages became NOTHING and in a 2-year span we lost the power of buying a house, renting a flat, in the end even buying food.
If Scottish wants to join the euro, I guess a herd of Scots will soon try to migrate somewhere else when they'll be aware they can't make ends meet, like 50% of Greek and 35% of Italians (and I stayed low with the percentage rates). Euro, this week, was exchanged 1.30 with a pound, I know because I received a bank transfer yesterday.

Without even counting what will happen with the Scottish passports... who gets one? People who are residents or people who choose to have one? What about families who are half Scottish half English then?

The more I think about this the funnier it is... SNP should inform us about what's going to happen to Scotland in case the YES wins.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 10:12

Concerning renewable energies, I guess you'll be delighted to exploit your own sources, meaning the ones you have south of Scotland. Up here we're sick of turbines and to be honest we're gathering signatures and petitions to have no more - When you'll be surrounded by windfarms, post your opinion about the renewable energies

Erm, Whitelee Windfarm next to Glasgow? Europe's largest.... Plus, looking at maps available here
www.snh.gov.uk/planning-and-development/renewable-energy/research-data-and-trends/trendsandstats/windfarm-footprint-maps/
There is a far greater concentration of windfarms central belt and South, than there is to the north.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 10:16

Charlie, where you got that figure nobody knows.....

this is one source, I'm sure you could find others...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 10:19

Sorry, try again...

Several studies suggest that the introduction of the Euro has triggered sizeable increases in intra-Euro area trade. In this paper we test whether these gains are distributed asymmetrically among Euro area countries with respect to country size. This hypothesis is motivated by Casella (1996), who postulates that small countries of a trade bloc gain more from its enlargement. We argue that the implications of this model do also apply to the introduction of a common currency and test for a small country bonus using aggregate trade data and disaggregated trade data at the SITC1, SITC2, and SITC3 level. The results suggest that there is indeed strong evidence for a small country bonus with respect to the gains from trade after the introduction of the Euro. On average, the Euro triggered a reallocation of intra-Euro area exports to small countries by some 6 percent. (author's abstract)
epub.wu.ac.at/322/

JennyPiccolo · 17/10/2012 10:30

When Scotland's independent, can Aitch be president?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 10:31

She gets my vote :)

LadyBeagleEyes · 17/10/2012 10:43

I wonder, should we get independence, if we'll finally have a chance to win Eurovision Smile
And I'm sure we'd give England douze pointes, 'cos we're nice like that.
Win/win really.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 17/10/2012 10:47

i'd settle for nothing less than queen, although the bedrooms in Embra Castle are teeny. Grin

the thing is, i really don't know how i'll vote, but i do wonder, because of my job, if it will be at all possible to obtain a true reckoning from the media.

JollyJackOLantern · 17/10/2012 11:13

Merlin I don't live in the central belt. We are surrounded by wind farms. There's an application in for a new one at the moment which will give the community enough money to build a new hospital. Sounds good to me.

I think they look fascinating.

I heard Johann Lamont on the radio one day saying she thinks they look like dancing ladies.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 11:27

Aitch Only queen? I was thinking Empress had a certain ring to it..

grannydaf · 17/10/2012 12:26

hi mumsnetters
as an economist I have always been in favour of independence. Scotland would by all objective reckoning be better off financially if independent. And as important, we can chose policies across the board which accord with the wishes of our people, instead of the agendas of mainly public school boys with punitive attitudes to the poor, disabled and ill and warlike foreign policies dictated by the economic interests of the class they represent.
Daphne a granny from the north

anice · 17/10/2012 13:17

grannydaf - as an economist are you also in favour of keeping the pound with interest rate decisions in Westminster without consideration for how Scotland's economy is growing?

anice · 17/10/2012 13:25

This is what I fear will happen within Scotland post independence. It a continuous threat in England too BTW. Not that Scotland does not have talented, able potential leaders (it does have them). If I was a large investor in Scotland., I'd be looking to pull my investment now.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. syn- socialism.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 13:31

are you also in favour of keeping the pound with interest rate decisions in Westminster without consideration for how Scotland's economy is growing

But we already have this, and if we go into the Euro then our interest rates will be dictated too..

I can't see the problem?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 17/10/2012 13:33

you fear a couple of made-up words from the urban dictionary? do you have the vote?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 13:36

If I was a large investor in Scotland., I'd be looking to pull my investment now

An open letter from a group of business leaders has stated that they will back Scottish independence now that there is no option of further devolution on the referendum

The letter includes many top business executives, including Malcolm Fraser, the founder of Malcolm Fraser Architects, Michelle Rodger, founder of Tartan Cat Communications, and Jim McColl, head of engineering firm Clyde Blowers.
www.scottishtimes.com/scottish_independence_business_leaders_independence_referendum

Drinks giant Diageo has announced it is to invest £1bn in Scotch whisky production over the next five years.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-18336994

There's plenty more if you look...

anice · 17/10/2012 13:47

ItsAllGoingToBeFine - "are you also in favour of keeping the pound with interest rate decisions in Westminster without consideration for how Scotland's economy is growing

Currently the whole UK economy is considered. Going forward it would just be England, Wales and N. Ireland.

anice · 17/10/2012 13:49

AitchTwoOhOneTwo - made up words, but it is accurate to call an administration inept if it takes to taxing capital rather than earnings. It has been tried many times and it always ends in disaster.

anice · 17/10/2012 13:52

ItsAllGoingToBeFine- ok, show me the others. If I was a business leader with existing interests in Scotland, i;d sign that letter too (whilst quietly planning how to get my money out).

I guess you mean that Diageo is going to build up its bottling plant in Leven?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 13:53

I loved ineptocracy! I'm going to see how often I can use it in conversation Grin

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2012 14:06

I guess you mean that Diageo is going to build up its bottling plant in Leven

According to the article, building one or two new distilleries and warehouses.

ok, show me the others

Ooh, a challenge :)

blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-does-scotland-look-bonnie-to-foreign-investors/9080

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-19977837
Computing company investing in infrastructure

www.sdi.co.uk/news/2012/08/2-8-billion-renewables-investment-in-scotland.aspx

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-19436161
100 million from BP

If you do a bit googling there's loads of examples big and small, but I'm bored now... :)

Charlie1972 · 17/10/2012 14:23

Stop Stop Stop ItsAllGoingToBeFine ...its like shooting fish in a barrel....

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