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imagine how this little girl is going to feel when sheis old enough to understand

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stitch · 20/03/2006 18:26

\link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4826148.stm\abortion bid mom}
can this not be classed as child abuse?

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Wordsmith · 21/03/2006 20:22

It doesn't say 33 weeks after the abortion, fgs. It says 'after 33 weeks' - implying that she was 33 weeks pregnant.

FioFio · 21/03/2006 20:22

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TwoIfBySea · 21/03/2006 20:35

Sparkly I saw my twins on a scan at 8 weeks very clearly.

Agree with Speedymama in regards to the "poor me" syndrome.

There was a girl in my 4th year at high school who had a baby. Her mum provided the childcare so she could then continue her studies and eventually she became a care worker last I heard anyway.

So this whole expectation that if you are not "posh" then you end up having to live off benefits is a crock. I know lots of single mums who, even now that we are a lot older than teens, would love to have a support network that met childcare needs so they could go out and support their child/ren. A girl I went to college with got support from both her mum and sister to not only go to college but do p/t work and neither her boys suffered at all. She wanted them to see that you had to work for what you wanted in life and I was always in awe of her for that. She came from one of the worst areas in Glasgow.

I also don't think anyone on here thought adoption was going the easy route but it would be a lot easier than having your dd's face plastered over the newspapers with this story. She is just a very greedy, very silly woman.

I suppose, if she is as naive as some have given her credit for, then she can sue for the stress of having her photo in the paper!

Callisto · 22/03/2006 10:45

I am still aghast at the hatred some of you feel towards this poor woman. 'Heartless bitch' as helsi called her is well over the top. As someone here has already posted, I really hope she isn't an MNer.

Caligula · 22/03/2006 10:47

I'm just surprised people feel they know her well enough to know that she's a heartless bitch. Maybe she is, maybe she isn't, but really unless you know her I don't really see how you can assert such a thing so confidently.

Nightynight · 22/03/2006 11:19

ahem - in measured tones then, I feel this woman has made some life choices that would probably be different from the ones I would have made in her place (but of course it is her right to make these choices.)

bl0ndie · 22/03/2006 11:41

I'm sure whatever the facts or jer circumstances taken into account, she loves her little girl now :)

bl0ndie · 22/03/2006 11:46

just had a v quick browse thru this. people...nickname please don;t be so hard on yourself, we all have regrets even about things which we know there was no other option for. yo're not a bad person, mistakes happen. those who cast tthe first stone and all that

Caligula · 22/03/2006 11:48

Grin very PC nightynight!

Caligula · 22/03/2006 11:49

talking of life choices, I'm sure we've all made some others wouldn't have made in our place, and also that we look back and think "why the hell did I do that?"

No doubt she will too, when she's older and wiser. (If she gets wiser - it's not automatic, contrary to popular expectation.)

flutterbee · 22/03/2006 13:05

PEOPLEINRLLIFEKNOWMYKNICKNAME - Why are you assuming that I don't know what I'm talking about, actually I do know what I'm talking about from first hand experience, I am in the exact same position as you. If you want to call yourself that then feel free I couldn't care less but to throw those types of words at other people is just down right bitchy and wrong.

HappyMumof2 · 22/03/2006 13:09

I don't have any problem with someone having an abortion. I also don't have a problem with her sueing the hospital. It must have been awful for her to find out she was still pregnant at such a late stage of pregnancy.

But I do think she was wrong to allow herself and her child to be named and photographed. I don't really understand why she's done that.

Had to lol at peole's confusions over the dates, doesn't 33 + 7 make 40??? 40 weeks. So the child she gave birth to was obviously one of the twins.

flutterbee · 22/03/2006 13:16

That is exactly what I said in my original post happy, people can sue for what ever reasons they want, where this girl has gone wrong is allowing the photo to be oublished and her legal team for advising her to do it.

HappyMumof2 · 22/03/2006 13:20

I don't understand why people feel the need to judge this woman so harshly when they don't even know her. She tried to do what was best for her, and had an early termination at 6 weeks.
The same people that use stupid phrases such as murderer & killer are probably the very same ones who moan on about teenage mums, benefits and the expense to the tax payer. You just can't win!

NotActuallyAMum · 22/03/2006 13:26

Haven't read the whole thread but when I was 11 my Mum told me that she booked in for an abortion when she found out she was having me but my Dad talked her out of it

I'm now 34, I still feel really sad when I think about it and still say that I absolutely didn't need to know

Different situation here though I know, but I have to agree with others who have said she should have stayed anonymous

Callisto · 22/03/2006 14:16

She may have been advised by her legal representation to go to the papers and embarrass the NHS into a big settlement, we just don't know.

Sparklemagic · 22/03/2006 15:02

callisto if my solicitor advised me to do something that would damage my son, I wouldn't do it.

In this day and age, what child of four is NOT going to become aware through school or friends in the area " I saw your picture in the paper, your mum didn't want you, she tried to get rid of you, and did you know you had a twin she did get rid of?"

Whoever advised me to put my child through that, and for WHATEVER gain whether financial or other, I would rather die than do it.

Callisto · 22/03/2006 15:12

Sparklemagic she may not have realised it would damage her daughter - she is only 20 and along with millions of other young (and older) people, may not think things through as much as she should.

Sparklemagic · 22/03/2006 15:15

I don't think it takes MUCH of a thought to realise that if you and DD are in the National News about this issue, people may talk to DD about it! Really...

Sparklemagic · 22/03/2006 15:16

and what I mean is, how can anyone not realise this would be damaging? Come on!

Callisto · 22/03/2006 19:59

People do thoughtless and stupid things all of the time. She may have been advised to go to the press by authority figures like her parents and her legal team. Are you saying she knew how much this could hurt her daughter and did it anyway? That is one hell of an assumption to make about someone you know nothing about.

FioFio · 22/03/2006 20:03

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Sparklemagic · 22/03/2006 22:09

Following your reasoning, no-one should be posting here because none of us know her! MN would go off the airwaves if we posted about people we actually know, right?

I be there are some mums out there caught up in this very same vulnerable situation and who may be alone and unsupported, who have got on with life and who would never ever let their child or the wider world know a thing about it, because once they are here the child takes priority.

I prefer to give my thoughts to those women.

expatinscotland · 22/03/2006 22:11

i agree, sparkle.

it also assumes all young mums are naive and easily manipulated. that's certainly NOT the case of some, there are even some on here who definitely don't seem to be a soft touch when it comes to protecting their kids.

Sparklemagic · 22/03/2006 22:21

phew, thanks expat!

i just feel nowadays there is soooo much emphasis on excusing people's actions and not making responsibility for our own actions important - some things are just wrong! I can have understanding of people being vulnerable of course but I still think that it's important to say strongly when people's actions are wrong. Otherwise we'll all slip into a culture of everything's OK because someone pressured me or whatever.