woman sentenced to 8 years for 38-week home abortion

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19621675
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204471/Mother-Sarah-Catt-terminated-baby-week-date-using-medication.html

oh and the comments relating to adoption and getting rid of children are highly offensive, esp i would imagine to someone that was adopted or anyone who adopts a child!

If you think I'm defending her then you are obviously incapable of understanding my posts.

Ultimately she would have had to had serious mental health issues to do something so terrible to herself and her child

misskitty NO!!

Sorry Im having to shout but now I really am about more "oh poor mentally ill" woman sympathies - no she wouldn't need to be mentally ill - because please understand some people are just bad.

I wonder if there will be the cries of "hes mentally ill" directed towards the man in custody who shot and killed those 2 Policewomen today - or will people just accept hes plain bad? Because a man shooting dead 2 people is a whole lot easier to understand for some than a woman harming their child!

There has to be more to this than we are hearing. I wonder if she conceived babies and was actually stopped from accessing timely terminations by abusive partner/s. Ditto accessing contraception. Had one or more of her pregnancies been the result of rape, and denying the pregnancies was part of a coping mechanism? Had her husband or lover been involved in this last scenario and she was protecting them? I'm not saying this justifies the final outcome or the choices she made to get there. But there must have been more to it.

When is infanticide not met with a custodial sentence?! It is murder and that carries a mandatory life sentence doesn't it?!

People are not just 'bad' shesariver. People are complicated, they are sometimes capable of terrible things but that is usually because of the circumstances they are in (the comparison with Nazi war crimes earlier is a good example).

Some people find it easier to distance themselves from people who have done awful things by dehumanising them but ultimately that won't solve problems with future crimes. You may as well just bury your head in the sand.

I see greater humanity in perception and fivemadthing's comments than I do in yours joona. Too often to me our judiciary seems mysogynistic and antiquated but reading this thread makes me wonder if its not more enlightened than I give it credit for.

Exactly, nobody knows what kind of relationships she was in.

I wonder why people didn't question if Anders Brevik was abused, raped or manipulated by his partner?

Some people are just bad. Accept it.
Why try and blame it on a man/partner? Women are capable of murder/torture and abuse.

This crime is inexplicable, but so are many to me. I don't go looking to absolve all perpetrators in the absence of any evidence

In fact I think it's incredibly offensive to cast aspersions on the husband/lover in this way bonzo

If a man killed his child and we started saying I suspect the wife pushed him into it??? can you hear that?

Fgs lets all shake hands with the woman.
They gave her a custodial sentence, that should speak volumes to all those excusing her. They don't lock people away unless there is a reason, if for any reason any of the exucuses were applicable she would not be going down for 8 years.
Surely anyone with a heart would not part with four babies and why wasn't this one not put up for adoption too ?

Some humans do not deserve humanity!
She deliberetly killed a baby, a newborn baby what human does that?
What humanity did she show to her baby, none absolutely none.
To be pregnant with your own baby, it moving, its heart beating you get attached.
The woman is evil and deserves no compassion whatsoever from any mother including me.
She is no better than all the other killers, infact she is worse

you know what?
I dont want to shake hands with this woman.
I dont understand why she did it or even what she did.
But statements like 'anyone with heart would not part with four babies' shows a lack of understanding on a grand scale.

I think people love these stories. It gives them a chance to show how outraged they are and how much they care. Always more than others naturally.

5madthings
I have already stated that i should have chosen my words more carefuly. But yes, in a sense she has 'got rid' of those children... Aka, removed her own responsibility over them by whatever means, wether that be through abortion or adoption.

Secondly, i see it as her defending this woman, because she seems to have difficulty in accepting any opinions that differ from hers. She has to challenge them. I am looking at the facts we DO have, and coming to my own conclusion.

shesariver 100% agree with you on the mental health issue. Im sick of it being used as an excuse so often. If she was mentaly ill, she would not have been able to plan this whole thing out as carefuly as she has. She is in prison, not a psychiatric hospital.

we are not excusing her! we are trying to look at the bigger picture. we simply do not know all the facts, yes some people are bad, but i would say on the whole there are reasons behind people actions, they do not make it ok and do not excuse anything but trying to understand why people do things at least means we can try and prevent the same from happening again.

and yes the men do have a part to play, she didnt get pregnant on her own!

Its also very odd, that if this were a man who killed his newborn you would all be outraged but because she is a woman, you don't believe it couldn't have been an act of evil.
Let me ask this, if you personally knew of someone who was a friend continually palming her babies off i bet you would have more to say

perception yes they are. I think I know how "complicated" people can be because speaking as a Mental Health Nurse (whos sick of the bad press people with mental health problems get here sometimes) I can say Ive met quite a few just plain bad people over the years. Generally amongst the psychopathic part of the population.

I to find you post bonzo rather odd - seemingly looking to find some excuse - any excuse..in this case a man, well why not eh - for why a woman could possibly kill her own child.

she did not get rid of any children, ffs that is what you said joona yes she gave up her legal rights to the one she had adopted, but that isnt getting rid of a child! and her abortion was LEGAL, supported by her husband, you have NO idea of their reasons for having a termination.

we have barely any facts, we have the presses reportings and they are not known for their unbiased judgement.

condeming someone does no good at all, trying to see the bigger picture may actually help someone else in the future and prevent this happening again.

If a man killed his child and we started saying I suspect the wife pushed him into it??? can you hear that?

Very good point toothbrush thief.

i wouldnt condem anyone man or woman. i am just interested in human nature, pschology and sociology, so for me its interesting to muse and discuss the issues this raises, its not about defending the woman in question.

there are lots of moral issues raised.

and if i knew someone who had had a child adopted and had an abortion and they were my friend i would be supportive, no point in judging, they would be doing what they thought was best for their circumstances.

how the hell do you know how I would see a man who did this pumpkin?

that is another cliche on these threads..'if it was a man you would be blah blah blah'
bollocks.

I would be just as likely to want to know what happened and why. Just as likely to be unable to understand why he had done such a thing, just as saddened.

I happen not to be the baying for the blood of strangers type.

I leave that to Sun readers and other morons.

As far as I am concerned this woman has committed a very serious crime and has been justifiably sentenced by the authorities. And the fact that she refused to reveal what happened to this baby makes the whole sad business much worse. Why not just tell the authorities.

Exactly Vivienne-she has commited a crime

Thing that also bothers me is that she won't reveal where the baby is which makes me wonder if the baby was born alive and whether she then killed him