woman sentenced to 8 years for 38-week home abortion

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19621675
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204471/Mother-Sarah-Catt-terminated-baby-week-date-using-medication.html

GOOD!

my husband thinks the sentence is so harsh as they are worried about copy cats hearing about this and buying drugs off the internet to do the same thing.

Joona adoption and abortion are not terms that can be used synonymously. They share few commonalities other than being legal although I would argue neither involves 'discarding a baby'.

Whilst the obstetric history of the woman involved is suggestive of something complex and overwhelming that no one can be in a position to understand from a distance it isn't illegal.

I dont think the sentence is harsh in any way. Infact, i dont think its enough! 4yrs?? Ppfffttt.

beancurd im not against abortion or adoption.

But this woman has allowed herself to conceive more than one obviously unwanted child. There have been four.

FOUR!

Which is why i think that she should be stopped from conceiving again.

People who dont want children do not allow themselves to fall pregnant 4 times.

They would take measures to ensure they dont fall pregnant again after the 1st time. Unless of course, arranging contraception is more hassle for them than having abortions or going through the adoption process, which sounds pretty unrealistic considering contraception is free in this country.

joona - we don't know exactly what happened though do we so it's pointless to speculate or assume anything.

Nobody disagrees that what happened was terrible. But how it came to be is unclear.

She has got rid off 4 children, why on earth did she not get her tubes tied?
If you are dead set on having no more kids you would do something about it!!!

Exactly!

Life isn't as simple as you paint it - do you not realise that??

From reading mums net it is very obvious that

A) contraception is not 100% effective
B) it can be very hard/impossible to get a sterilisation on the NHS.

she has got rid of four children? one adoption, one abortion and then this baby which is being classed as abortion/stillbirth but we dont actually know for sure the baby is dead
she has two living children.

and her husband had a part to play in conception and the other man?

her history should have raised flags as shouls asking for an abortion at a late stage, not just once but twice.

she may not be mentally ill but we do not have the full story and it woukd sem rhere are issues, repeated cocealment of pregnancies, ho her hysband sais she didnt know till late on with one of them. that is unusual but not unheard of. we have no idea if she used contraception and it failed. it can and does fail and in some cases repeatedly. she woyld have strugglef to find a dr thar would allow her to/recomend sterilisation at her age. we just do not know all the facts.

her husband us standing by her, maybe he is deluded or maybe he knows more than we do.

what she did was wrong, but we dont know what led up to this. she may be cold and heartless or there may be much more to this than has been reported ir even.admitted by the woman herself.

and what perception has said.

But FOUR times, pregnant by MISTAKE 4 times. Yes contraception fails, but not this many times because you would be sterilised due to not wanting anymore kids.
Also there is the morning after pill & abortion before 12 weeks, she could have done either but no she decided to leave it until 38 weeks when the feoteus is a fully grown viable human !!

not four, three children.tjo she has not got rid. one was adopted,and one was a legal abortion, both fine imo. and then.this last one, which is wrong and hortific but we dont have the facts and probably never will do.

she may not have lnown she was pregnant, some people dont find out in time. and yes contraception.can fail.four times, it doesnt work for some people. sterilisation at her age hard to get on nhs.

it takes two people to make a baby, the men have a responsibility as well.

No its not 100% effective, and as i said upthread accidents do happen...

But four times? I doubt that very much.

None of this changes the fact that this women:
A) was pregnant, proven by a 30 week scan.
B) lied and said she had already had an abortion at an earlier stage, when infact she was still pregnant.
C) bought drugs online which are used in medical abortions
D) claimed the child was stillborn
E) admitted burying the body.
F) refused to reveal where the baby's body is.

Some people believe the theory that she wont reveal where the baby is buried because she is worried that her lover was the father.

Her husband now knows she was pregnant, he knows all about the affair, and the possibility that the child was not his... And he's standing by her.

Yet she still wont reveal where the baby is. Why? .. IMO, through fear of an autopsy revealing that it was not stillborn, and she knows that she will then be facing a murder charge.. which will mean a longer sentence than the measly one she's got away with.

OK...... adoptions and abortions are considered "getting rid of children" now are they? Or is it only OK to talk this way when someone is found guilty of a late termination?

She asked for a termination for one of her living children also, but was refused as she had missed the legal time limit.

So that is 3 she has got rid of, and a 4th she planned to.

i know lynette i questioned that! should have put it in quotation marks as its nit very clear. adoption is mist certainly getting rid of a child! and abortion is legal and it was agreed by her husband (nit that a woman needs a mans consent!) these both legal and perfectly ok. unless you are not pro-choice?!

and where us the four children coming from? one abortion, one adoption and then the final baby abortion/stillbirth? thst makes 3?!

but she didnt get rid of tje first two. an adoption is not getting rid of a child, its giving it to a loving home! and the other abirtion was carried out legallt within normal time frame, so it was not technically a child at that point, medically at least.

Figure of speech, although admittedly i could choose my words a bit better.

They don't jail someone for no reason and it has been proved she wasn't mentally ill-proof in itself she is purely evil and was not driven my a mental illness!
I think there is more to this story in a bad way.

No one is saying adoption is 'getting rid' off a child but to part with four children when arm implants & coils & condoms along with these are widely available there is no excuse for getting pregnant four times by mistake!!
Everyone i believe is allowed one mistake in life but this goes beyond the pail

So, you know this woman do you pumpkin? You know everything about her life and circumstances? And you therefore make yourself the judge of how many mistakes she is 'allowed'??

perception it just looks to me like you're trying to defend this woman, & her actions.

IMO, she isnt worthy of being called human.

If you feel you need to defend a woman who killed her own child, you carry on.

bollocks you and others have said she 'got rid' of four children, actually it was three and one of those was adopted, therefore you have have said that adoption IS getting rid of a child, pumpkin and joona have both said she got rid of children.

she had one adopted and one legally terminated pregnancy, neither is getting rid of a child.

perception isnt defending her, just stating that we do NOT know the facts.