Save the Children launches appeal for children in the UK

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BBC link

And it will get worse :(

I don't suppose that disability groups are whole heartedly supporting the Coaliltion's slashing of benefits, enforced workfare for the terminally ill and repossession of mobility scooters to be honest.

Did you see Osborne and May being booed at the Olympics? Here's hoping that the country is finally waking up.

Over and over on these boards I see the repeated mantra "oh don't be silly, that's so Daily Mailesque and it doesn't happen" when people relay stories of facts they've witnessed. Just because it doesn't fit with your agenda, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I understand DMA is fighting very hard to keep her head above water and has an IVA in place, which perhaps links to what has previously been discussed about debt repayments. DMA, is it in any way realistic for you to "just go bankrupt" and get this off your shoulders? IVA's are terribly restrictive and there's a huge percentage of people take them on and end up going bankrupt anyway - they just seem to delay the wolves from the door, not chase them away completely!

Dvaid Cameron does indeed have 1st hand experience of the issue but that hasn't prevented him making dramatic changes and cuts to disability benefits.

But that's another thread entirely, isn't it?

A specialist carer/ childcare for children with a disability would charge the same for a day as carers receive in a week.

"I thourght the co-alition were working closly with disability groups on any changes and david cameron himself has 1st hand experience on the issue. "

Sorry but, hahaha

The chairman of Mind (mental health charity) pulled out of talks with the govt on welfare reform. The ATOS assesments for ESA are still not fit for purpose. Yet the government have given the contract for PIP, which will replace DLA, to ATOS! And PIP will cost 20% less than DLA which has a fraud rate of 0.5%. Go figure.

The 'consultation' is a gimmick.

The reason why the roits kicked off it because young people feel entitled because The left tells them despite free education, free travel more money on welfare than most working people earn they poor shame the left wont tell them to get any were in life hard work is rquired and nothig comes for free

What a load of rubbish!

Punctuation is free, you are entitled to use as much as you need.

David Cameron has first hand experience of disablity, not poverty. He has no idea of the financial burden of disability on families who, unlike him, were not born with a silver spoon wedged up their arse.

vaga please don't pull people up on their spelling, punctuation, grammar.

Those with LDs, those with a poor education, those for who english is not their mother tongue are all welcome on MN.

I'm far from lazy & went back to work when my son was 6 weeks old full time as I bitterly resent the mere idea of having to depend upon the state. All went well until he hit school age. I've sadly discovered the hard way that as child with a disability gets older and bigger, the available childcare options whittle down to zilch. Employers are also unsympathetic to people taking too much time off for hospital appointments etc, schools also expect you to be available at the drop of a hat. DLA doesn't cover his therapy costs or the extra equipment he needs for school & home - our situation is far from unusual.

I'm incredibly lucky in that I have the educational background, life experience & emotional support network to get me to a place where eventually I'll be able to go self-employed to work around DS's needs. The whopping great big gap on my CV incurred during this period of our lives means I've been left far less employable than had my son NOT had a disability.

It really, really pisses me off when parents who haven't had to walk the walk of living with a child or other family member with a disability just ASSUME that having a kid with a disability equals an automatic ride on some mythical gravy train. Mortgage protection insurance doesn't cover this kind of eventuality either.

I also don't know many people who come under the mythical stereotype of the daily mail abysmal parent either. The only children I've come across who have started school not toilet trained etc have had medical diagnoses to clearly explain the delays or have been in the system to obtain a diagnosis iykwim. Their Mums have been worried sick. Far, far more children are failed by the system than are failed by parents imho.

Care in the community was set up to replace the old system of care homes and asylums for vulnerable adults. Now that community support is being ripped away and the vulnerable are being left to fend for themselves anyway they can. It's Darwinian survival of the fittest out there - is this what we really want in a civilised society, when anyone of us could be struck down by a car tomorrow? (Most of us will live to experience the care this society gives it's elderly - worth another outraged essay in and of itself).

mam29 Fri 07-Sep-12 13:11:31
"Cory- I did say I had no issues with disability.
mobiulity car i was mistaken.

I just know a few people whos child has moderate disability and see it as form of income."

Well, considering that the moderate disability may well prevent them from having another form of income, perhaps they need to see it as an income. We all need to live.

And unless you are actually living their lives 24/7 you have no idea how the disability affects their lives. My ds lives in the same house, but he still doesn't realise how many sleepness nights I've had or how badly my own health is affected.

You suggested that the disability allowance should pay carers- I pointed out that this would come very expensive for the taxpayers. The reason so many parents are carers is partly because the state is unwilling to pay for somebody else to do the job- it would quite simply cost too much.

Disabilitys an odd one-I dont begrudge anyone disable getting disability by way especially a child I been very lucky mine been so healthy.
Thats apparently worth £240 a month.
The parent then gets a carers allowance on top-This one not sure of as a parent if has healthy or child would care for their child and already get child benefit and perhaps tax credits.

I would prefer this money to either be paid to a childcare for that child or someone thats not their parent.

What a load of ignorant tosh.

My DS is nearly 6. I cannot find childcare for him for love nor money.

Also, do you think that is the only cost? What about his nappies, his therapies, the vitamins, all the extra costs of him being disabled?

I claim CA. Before I had me DS I earned £21k a year. In the midlands so this was a healthy sum. Since my DS needs 1:1 and I cant find childcare I earn £233 a month. I cannot find a job as my hours are too limited.

FrothyOM yes because were all know ed milliband is straight from the getto hahahaha he knows all about lifes hard knocks

I love it when the left play that card as if all the labour lovies have come stright from some estate majorty have been born with silver spoons although is much more easy to say those who choose not to work should have all the money ,chikdren they want when you know it wont effect you

The word i think is Champaign socialist Diann abotts any one hahahaha

David Cameron has first hand experience of disablity, not poverty.

yy to this.

bochead there are 60,000 children being looked after buy the state. And there are plenty more under the radar.

I don't htink we can assume that all DC have good parents.

A lot of the cuts havent even been implemented yet,
some still in consulatation.
it doesnt help the media dn otehr groups highlight certain points of reform and stir up trouble without knowing the full detail as it panics the people it will affect, not all reforms are bad some are neccessary.

we have no money -uk is bust.
they have to make som difficuly decisions,
prioriterise need and make changes.

I doubt they doing it out of political ideology or to make people suffer.

maybe im a right win pollyanna and like to see the positives and try be non bias and constructive with the negatives.

I was very careful to say in all posts a msall minority should not represent a whole group.

labour chucked more money at child povery and it dident work.

many of cuts not happened-they wont please everyones.

peoople feeling pinch right now bnot just abiut income but outgoings living costs so high simple as.

combined with less lending and low savings we in a weak position.

I do wish the left could be more

less anti everything

come out and say what they agree with
klet us know their plans.

but they havent.

I always chuckle when labour ploiticians and union leaders and even ordinary middle class talk about the poor people as they themeselves are hardly struggling. union leaders earn more than pm. most of them even guardian journos send kids private so they dont practice what they preach.

And some children are disabled as a result of there parents poor care

Oh yes, Diane Abbott,what with her Jamaican working class parents.

And some children are disabled as a result of there parents poor care

What do you mean by that? Can you give some examples?

She is not working class IS she last time i checked 60k is very well of can afford to send her son to private school

But then again the leftys will be saying you can baerly get by on 60k

Fetal alcohol syndrome

For one

The issue that came through having chikdren with someone related to you

The issues that come with drug use whilest pregnant

mrbojangles- can you explain your statement above about 'some children are disabled as a result of their parent's poor car'??

You mentioned that it was a myth that Labour Ministers come from Estates.

You mentioned Diane Abbott.

I am just pointing out your mistake. She maybe wealthy now thanks to some hard work, but she was born to a welder and a nurse.

I just have also those who harm there child on purpous ect I forget what its called but there a some mum very few that harm their child to gain sympthy

Vagaceratops and now she has made it sends her sone to a very posh school and see to it via lefty leanings that no one else can by challanging grammer schools ect

Sorry but I don't understand your last post- use punctuation!!

What argument Rosebud? There is no argument. It's fact ? the top 1% of earners cough up more than 50% of the money in the pot.
No one has mentioned gratitude or groveling (except surprise, surprise, folk deliberately exaggerating what has been said to fan the flames of the Tory bastards myth). Personally, I don't think it is unreasonable to acknowledge that fact, rather than vilifying them as you spend their money hand over fist.
It really is splitting hairs in re. no private A&E and teacher training. You know perfectly well this group of people aren't the recipients of the welfare state.
No, they aren't struggling to feed their children, but without their contribution, some children wouldn't be eating at all.