Save the Children launches appeal for children in the UK

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And it will get worse :(

Never mind then

I would like to understand!

Im sorry wish I never mentioned the d word as contnuous issue and seperate from child poverty.

I hardly think its fair to say disability down to the parent.

So are we saying

daves not poor enough-he cant possibly have a opinion or make a sensible decision?

A parent with non disabled child whos had disabled brother and disabled freinds shouldent have an opinion.

As mentioned before class and incomes change.
I believe a lot is down to education.

its just when lefties talk about state education and try and restrict choice for lower paid parents who cant pay private annoys me.

its not all about money some it attitude.

saw a some sink schools turned around by non monetary changes.

Ok someone posted this

Add message | Report | Message poster wordfactory Fri 07-Sep-12 13:33:02
bochead there are 60,000 children being looked after buy the state. And there are plenty more under the radar.

I don't htink we can assume that all DC have good parents.

Hence i posted some children are made disabled by poor parenting

Eg chidren who are bron to drug addicts
People who drink
People who hurt their children to gain sympthey i cant remeber what they call when mothers do this its a german sounding name ect

Hope you understand now

It's not splitting hairs at all. It's the absolute crux of the matter. The private sector is propped up and bailed out by the state over and over again. Private medicine and private education wouldn't exist without the state.

I know 'the rich' don't like to acknowledge it, but they're rich because others are poor. If money was more evenly distributed, everyone would have enough to feed their children.

had anyone read the book called the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. I haven't read it for years' but I remember how awful it was.

I think we have come a long way. mothers used to die in the 30's because they gave all the food to the children.

OOH I still think some parents make bad choices with money, partners etc and they do need to take some resposibility.

I think bojangles means Münchausen syndrome.

I dont know the statistics, but I should think that parents with Münchausen syndrome, and children affected by fetal alcohol syndrome are a very small percentage of all the children who claim DLA.

buttermintoes you seem intent on ignoring the points people have made about income distribution, about why the top 1% are so rich, when others are barely surviving, and why it's right for them to contribute more.

I don't think it's splitting hairs to mention A&E or teacher training (or NHS medical training for all those private doctors and nurses for that matter). I personally know two higher rate tax payers who had no qualms in enjoying child benefit, either, until it was removed this year, so they were recipients of the welfare state, too.

Poor parenting most certainly does cause lasting damage and disability.

Sorry, that should be the top 10% of earners cough up more than 50% of the pot. Missing 0.

Mam: daves not poor enough-he cant possibly have a opinion or make a sensible decision?

I do think it means he is unable to empathise with people who don't have his advantages and this demonstrably affects his decision-making processes.

Rosebud05 thats carzy we once did this at collage what would happen if all the money in the uk was shared equaily

Answer you would still have poor and rich because

Some would save their money
Some would piss it up the wall
Some would steal others
Some would invest

So this lefty eutopia is crazy unless your adovcating communism all we all how thats worked out for cuba

Do you really believe that the parents who care for a severely disabled child don't do anything different from parents caring for a healthy child? And that this is a job that any childminder could do instead?

Tell that to my friend who changes the incontinence pants on her 23 year old son.

buttermintoes the salaries of the top 1% have ballooned over the past 20 years whereas the salary of the average working person has remained largely stagnant. Deregulation allowed the already rich to become the super-rich, they gave themselves hefty pay increases and largely refused to let any money 'trickle down' to the ordinary worker.

One could argue that they are indirectly responsible for the fact that people on average incomes are still largely dependent upon the government supplementing their wages in order to meet the basic costs of living, iow for the size of the welfare state. They have this wealth and refuse to pass it down through pay increases, so it's taken from them in taxes and then passed on to the worker in the form of tax credits.

Also, it's the top 10% that pays over 50% of income tax, not the top 1%.

twofingerstoGideon i wonder what -wallace- i mean hardship ed milliband ever had to endure apart from being to the left

The think is the left act like they have the manopoly on seeing the poors point of view the left now are as privllaged as the right

I don't think anyone is advocating that money is shared equally; they are arguing that money should be shared more equally, which is a completely different thing.

Better wealth distribution does not equal communism FFS.

I'm so glad that I don't believe that wanting all children to have enough to eat is a 'lefty eutopia' (I assume you mean 'utopia?).

twofingerstoGideon but i think many more to right want to know what diffrance money money make to a family whose prortys are fundermentaly wrong

I dont think any one minds giving more to families in real need to most object to money being givien so sharon and boufriend dave can be kept in cider

And if you think familes like this dont exsit you need to watch a show called protecting our chikdren

Rosebud05 thats carzy we once did this at collage what would happen if all the money in the uk was shared equaily

How naughty, a strawman. Roesbud05 didn't say the money should be shared equally, but rather 'more equally'.

Riddle me this, which would benefit the economy more. Money being sucked upwards in to the offshore bank accounts of the super-rich where it sits doing pretty much bugger all. Or money being directed downwards to the bank accounts of the ordinary worker where it's used to buy food, cars, white goods, clothes etc?

bojangles you seem obsessed with the kind of families you've mentioned. I've already said on this thread that I believe these people are far and away in the minority, so I really have no interest in engaging again with such a spurious argument.

Family had no bed for their child despite having benafits sw got so desprate they brought the family a bed they still didnt make use of the bed its not due to lack of money a family like this is in poverty

They had two dogs the point is if you cant probide a bed for your child how can you afford a dog

Yes, I saw it thanks. The point why it was newsworthy was because it was extreme.

daves not poor enough-he cant possibly have a opinion or make a sensible decision?

David Cameron had a disabled son, so he can empathise about what it feels like to have a son who is disabled.

However I would like to guess that he never
-spent hours on the phone begging for more nappies and be told no.
-Waited months for speech therapy so that he was forced to wipe out his own meagre savings to pay privately.

• been turned down for Occupational therapy because although its agreed your son needs OT, our waiting list is over a year long and therefore we have closed them for now. He has never been told this and then sold the car he really needed to pay for a private one.
• been told he qualifies for respite then a week later told that there is no respite any more due to budget cuts.

All these things have happened to me. If you go over to the SN boards you will hear of people with much worse stories than mine. Children who have been turned down for wheelchairs, mobility aids, respite.

DC can know what it feels like as the parent of a child with a disability. He cannot know what it feels like to struggle against the system day after day, while you watch your child suffer, and then be begrudged £200 a month in DLA.

Rosebud05 well luckly the left are not in charge and god willing wont be for a long time.

If your sO worried why dont you pop a postel order into the dwp for these pople

Can posters stip picking up others on their spelling and punctuation.

It has no place in a civilised society.

If you can only mock those who you don't agree with then you are childish.

There are people with LDs. People who didn't have a good education. People who don't speak english as their first language. They should be allowed to air thier views as much as anyone else.

Particularly relevent on threads where disability is being discussed. Sheesh!!!!