Save the Children launches appeal for children in the UK

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And it will get worse :(

Most of us have had to pay for our training and have had to pay for our own children's driving licences. I have no problems with immigration. It has always done this country loads of good.

We certainly need a lot less paid out as we have no money left in the coffers so if these new schemes do not help people into work and just waste money we should stop them. Many countries round the world pay benefits for a year but not after that. That is obviously another option although if you believe in a welfare state you woudl need some provision for free food provision and dormitories for those whose families despite being ordered to refused to take them in.

Plenty of businesses offer training. The qualification I am currently working from was paid for by my last employer.

Perhaps Polish people paid for their own driving licences and that's why companies look to them. Because they helped themselves to get a qualification that wodl help then find work. Or do the Polish government provide free driving lessons and licenses and I just haven't heard about it?

It's cheaper, a lot cheaper.

Also plenty of UK companies do provide training to the best candidates. Just look at destinations of many graduates. Also lots of people who work for themselves started off without too many qualifications and just got on with it.

Anyway I've had enough of this thread despit the constant proof of the catch 22 of poverty, some of you people still sit here with your heads in the sand, determined to be selfish, determined to declare a big fuck you to anyone stuck in the poverty trap, sprouting out rubbish that they need to up skill, without providing any logical way that they can do so when on the bread line.

Well you know what you reap what you sow, you can continue to pay billions in tax to the working poor who need top up benefits, fund pointless unaccredited worthless training courses that help no one, continue subbing large businesses with free slave labour because you are clearly happy with that, you don't want to see the unemployed and working poor finding jobs that pay enough to live, you just want them being punished because no matter what they do, they are just stupid lazy poor people to you, after all they must be thick and lazy in the first place to end up poor, isn't that right?.

Bye bye loonies.

'dormitories for those whose families despite being ordered to refused to take them in.'

So you're all for a smaller state, but it's okay for the government to order families to take in a relative (what if they don't have the space, they downsized) and police what people eat?

It's best not to engage with such ridiculous arguments expat.

The impression I've got is that someone's being deliberately provocative now.

We've had 'fat, white people' (or words to that effect - can't be bothered to re-read) and now a suggestion of poor people being made to sleep in dormitories. Obviously someone is attention-seeking.

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XeniaSun 09-Sep-12 19:46:03

I haven't said I had 4 children. I said I had 4 births. I have never said I lived in a small flat. If people want to do a PhD in my earlier posts that's fine but I reserve the right to say they have failed the exam. Pay more attention. My comments about some older people who won't claim benefits was about a minority and it was about those ofer 70. I have no bitterness against anyone. I want the poor to prosper and I want us to encourage people to better themselves.

XeniaFri 14-Sep-12 10:54:51

There are two reasons some kindo f workfare is sensible.
(1) those of us who work very hard to fund those who don't work want to see those getting those benefits doing something whetehr it benefits them or not - better they stand all day in Oxfam doing very little than sit on the sofa watching televison all day.

(2) it gets people who may not be used to having the baby and toddler ready by 7.15am like the rest of we full time working parents have to do and ourselves ready for work and then leave the house - it imposes that order and discipline and routine and yes it is not fun getting them all up and ready as we had to with 5 children including baby twins by 7.15 when youj've been up most of the night with the babies but it certainly ensures you stay in the habit of work and gives you lots of benefits long term.

Xenia no one forced you to have those children you know. You didnt HAVE to do all that at all.
Incidentally i copied and pasted your racist post into a Word document.

Oh and Xenia you are NO feminist. Calling yourself a feminist is an insult to other feminists.
Feminists believe in equality. You dont.
You also believe that feminism is only for rich women.
You would quite happily have a single mother cleaning the toilet in your office or home on workfare without paying her. How the FUCK can you call yourself a feminist. You are an insult to the cause.
And dormitories for the poor! Jesus you are sick.

Im hiding this thread now because i am absolutely DISGUSTED with the callousness shown on here.

The right help the poor best by encouraging them to help themselves. I am certanly not racist and feminism means equality under the law and fairness at home and on that basis I would certainly agree that I am a feminist. However I am not a marxist. The two do not have to go together.

I think I do quite a bit to help women, particularly those in business. I certainly get praise heaped on me perhaps undeserved but it is regularly heaped here I'm afraid. I certainly want to help encourage entrepreneurship amongst women and less reliance on state benefits and less reliance on male earnings.

The thing I don't get is why would you hire a person to clean your toilet but in the same breath ask why that same person isn't aspiring to anything better. Make up your mind, you can't have it both ways!

"I hvae so much more in common with them than the fat lumpen negative white benefit claimants of the UK. " - xenia - you've got to be kidding.

You saying that fat and lumpen benefit claimants are only white - you saying that 'them' is not white and not fat and lumpen!

Goodness. Are you an ambulance chasing solicitor?

I think those seeking a PhD in my posts need to read them.

Why would anyone say that if someone writes the fat lumpen negative white benefit claimants of the UK that I had said all benefit claimants were either white, negative, fat etc etc. Deliberate misconstruction says more about the poster than about me. I simply that I have more in common with those who work hard than those who don't and that there are some fat lumpen negative white claimants. There will also be fat black ones too - in fact the report out this week says diabetes is worse in black women because they are fatter.

Also to suggest that because some of us create work including cleanging work means we do not want someone to aspire to something better paid is wrong too. Many many people start cleaning working for themselves. I have my own experience of seeing people doing that - it is wonderful to see that development from cleaner on to something better paid or even from state worker to self employed cleaner. I love seeing women making progress.

Keep working hard. I was at my desk at 6am. Copy me and the world might be at your feet. Go on the women entrepreneur's or women who earn £1k a day thread and be inspired. It is all there to play for and life is huge fun.

could you link to those threads, xenia?

i used to have a job where i went to new estates, we went with play equipment, in a van. the kids came out and played, the parents came out and taked to each other. the kids have play areas that were aimed at the under 8s, crap and totally boring when you're a 12 year old boy.

we showed them how to make fires and gave them something to aim towards, we strung ropes on trees and climbed them, the older kids helped the younger ones.

we worked for the council. we got made redundant. we carried on alone and we still try to do this work yet we are doing it alone and it isn't easy to do. have any of you tried really to start a charity for the local community?

It's really not for the faint of heart, you have to have passion

I think that it's a state of mind tbh, some people are just bone idle - and some aren't. I've cleaned toilets to earn food money - yet this week I gave a presentation in The Hague to an international delegation. But, should my fortunes changes again, I don't think I'm too educated, too special or above going back to cleaning toilets to feed my children.

Can't believe this thread is still running!

It's not that complicated.

To be fair, some families do go without through no fault of their own.

BUT, to be fair to the other side, there is evidence that previous generations dealt with poverty in a more dignified manner, and evidence that poor people today need to change their attitudes and perspective:

AND

here

So black woman are all fat now?

Read the news dumbo 1 out of 2 black and Asian people will develope type 2 diabetes at some time in their lives, males are especially affected, scientists are unsure as to the reasons why.

Not that hard to look things up before blatantly insulting a whole tonne of people, as you keep doing.

I know i said i was walking away but i just had to reply to that gem.

I don't mind debating things but it's not fair if people suggest I have said things I haven't said. More black women are over weight than white in the study reported last week about diabetes and that is one reason the diabetes rates are worse.

Germyrabbit it is very sad that the council cut your project, I have done a lot of voluntary work in deprived areas and only by going in there and hearing about peoples very difficult situations can you understand it. Preventative projects like yours save the taxpayer millions in the long term.

Sunwukong,your workforce experience is typical and a waste of taxpayers money and you're right, tell someone they're shit often enough and they'll start to believe it.

Wow so families are either forced to live together or they get shoved in a dormatory for the poor...Have I heard that right?

Also can someone explain the fat bashing because I can't for the life of me understand why any intelligent person would raise the issue of a person's weight in relation to the benefits system in the UK.