George Osborne Gets Booed Handing Medals at the Paralympic Athletics Medal Ceremony

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The nation boos at the Tory scum:

I agree that there have been a few over publicised cases where people have claimed DLA for stress or back problems that can not be disproved but as others have said and the DWP know to be a fact, less than 0.5% of claims are false.

I like most people know of other parents who have claimed DLA for caring for a child with moderate learning disability. Where the deciding factor for awarding DLA has been something like the child's inability to cross the road.......at age 7! When we have children there is an expectation that we will care for that child and to some extent over a period of years (fairly determinate) put that child's needs first. For parents with children with profound disabilities the duration of time is indeterminate, the level of care and the costs involved mean that those parents are unable to fulfil their own potential and without adequate support those children will not reach theirs either. Special schools have been closed, why? because ALL children reach their potential in mainstream with little or no support???? NO of course not, it is because we think, well fine, so what, we can meet the cost of their care at a later date, when they too will be a burden rather than a resource or more likely a burden we can berate for their "bad fortune"

When we have children (as opposed to parents who need care) we do so with the desire that they develop and they reach their full human potential what ever that might be. So why is it that Government (MEN) see fit to ensure that certain unlucky people, usually women, often mothers are not given the same opportunities to reach their own potential. WHY should women (it almost always is) care for everyone, whilst Governments are ALWAYS able to finance wars.

"you really do have it bad"

Me and a stadium full of people booing George Osborne....... But as long as you're alright eh?

And since you appear to be a tory, surely you are aware that it is central to tory ideology to have a 'small state' i.e.- less that is under democratic control?

yes, I am alright thanks, but only due to determination and I am little impressed by a crowd mentality showing their ill manners on a world stage - you only have to look at last years' riots to see what a crowd mentality is capable of.

People with disabilities should just get better paid jobs, probably in London. That way they'd be able to pay for their own care.

Tory ideology has always been based the the small "moral" mind of a certain "Burke" who trumpeted the idea that the poor and the sick were impoverished because of their poor moral character. Ian Duncan Smith is one such Burke who seems to think that a carrot and a stick will cure the poor of the lack of moral fibre whilst ATOS will cure them of their disabilities. Bunch of arseholes.

For crying out loud Sammy. Many of us have determination, disability or not. If you can't see that you are rude and patronising, you really do have a problem. So you managed academia, as did many of us, it doesn't make you better than those that didn't or more qualified to judge the situation.

As for crowd mentality, yep it exists, it can exist for good and bad, not always dependent on point of view. In my opinion (and that of a fair few academics) the riots last year were the result of thirty years of bad governance that started under Thatcher. There will be more, too.
However that is not what this thread is about. George deserved booing, ill mannered or otherwise, it was deserved for his 'I'm alright Jack' mentality. It's interesting to note that IDS hasn't been asked to present medals, then I suspect there really would be a riot.
One also notes that 'the lady's not for turning policy' is not working for George or the country.

The riots were pre meditated, booing George Osborne wasn't

no dawndonna, I was accused of having some sort or cushy upbringing, which is what I am referring to when I say I am determined, ie it did it for myself. I never claimed to be better than anyone either.

No, I can't see that I am being patronising, I am only saying that a lot of people have it tough and it doesn't mean that you should wallow in self-pity for the rest of your life and just accept what life has thrown at you. I am not referring to the disabled in this case obviously but those that due to other situations feel that the state and the taxpayer owes them a living to the end of their days.

This country has free education (well to 18 anyway), free healthcare, and a safety net that will support you when you fall into hard times, which is more than you will get in a lot of countries. I don't see how you can blame last year's thuggery on bad governance, bad parenting more like.

Yes, I also believe that there will be more riots, and more deaths, because the police will roll out plastic bullets next time (not something I agree with before you all jump at me) These riots will be pre-meditated, unlike last years, which started off with one area and then others followed suit when they saw they could get away with it (a perfect example of crowd mentality).

What you fail to understand is that unless there are serious changes to this country then we run the risk of ending up like the US - do you want to see poor families living in tent cities by the side of the road/ forest parks etc. and a two-tier healthcare system?

When has George Osborne demonstrated this 'I'm alright Jack' mentality - could you please provide a few examples as I can't think of any.

Mini - I also think that we should be: sending fewer people to prison, bringing back assisted places in independent schools, bring back student grants for proper degrees, building more social housing - does that make me small-minded?

You never did answer me when I queried what you thought a fair tax rate would be? Also, I assume that you are taking a market rate salary from your business rather than dividends?

sorry, of not or

There are people living in tents in forests in this country, it has been on our local news! It was in Peterborough I think...

Here it concerns migrant workers though, so something else for people to get their knickers in a twist about. It is dated 2010, but it has been covered more recently than this as well. Not sure if it is happening elsewhere. I know there have been similar highlighted articles about shed extensions and workers being housed in them, with no lighting etc.

I think you are referring to migrant workers - sad, but not quite the same as the situation as the US where it is entire families.

www.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_9694000/9694094.stm

It happens in France as well

Sammy I am not suggesting you are small minded I don't agree with fewer people going to prison and I don't agree with bringing back assisted places, we need to raise the game in state schools and we need to deport foreign criminals (perhaps my brain is shrinking !

I think we need to consider globalisation before we start to look at effective tax legislation. Too many corporations pay too little tax and too many private individuals off shore their money. That needs to be stopped and it will take international change. Broadly speaking I am in favour of a flat tax (yes xenia) but people on lower incomes need to be exempted and there needs to be some sort of taper that would encourage people to work harder rather than turn down pay rises or extra work but we should also look at share holding and executive pay, institutional share holders and much more besides. (i won't bore you any further!)

Mini, I agree with most of what you are saying on taxation - I use to work in global tax so I am well aware of what shenanigans multinationals get up to.

I think IDS is trying to do extremely good work and I hope he succeeds.

The comment above about women being lumbered with dull stuff is fascinating. Those of us with the very different mentality that we all make our own beds, take our own actions, are principally responsible for ourselves etc... we would say hang on how come you married such a sexist man that you not he does the caring! How could you touch such a fellow with a barge pole. Ensure it is 50/50 each.

In relation to violence we have less on this planet than ever in its history actually despite the press reports you see. In that respect mankind has never had it so good.

Xenia, if you have a severely disabled child in the majority of cases one of you has to give up work, either completely or has to take a more flexible job to fit around the care. It's not always the women, I know a couple of dads that have taken on this role. But it's a completely impossible task to split 50/50 when you have somebody to care for with such high level needs. The whole family becomes carers in the case of severe disability anyway

Yes, I know it's night and day often but the bottom line is far far too many women in the UK sacrifce themselves on the altar of family and get no thanks and indeed may be thanked more by children and spouses if they worked and earned a lot and we need to ensure they do not end up in this very sexist unfair position time and time again. The same issue arises with elderly relatives - why is it muggins mum and so rarely the husband who is saddled with it all? It's a very important feminist issue and indeed to help women rise to power we need realy to try to ensure it is more often men than women who do this stuff at home until we reach closer to 50% of women in positions of power in the UK.

Xenia, my husband isn't sexist. He works a 9 day fortnight and I do either 2 or 3 days inbetween depending on what week it is but as most appointments fall in the week I have become the main carer. It works for us. He doesn't treat me as a second class citizen, he isn't controlling about anything. We both just love our family and want to do the best for them and when you have a child with severe disability in your family, your choices are extremely limited as to what you can and cannot do. I have sacrificed my career though, that goes without saying but I don't think I could live with putting my daughter in care during her childhood would create me any happiness anyway, obviously it is something we will consider when she is an adult though, but I feel that's different

What you fail to understand
Patronising and rude.

sorry that doesn't really make sense, I don't feel if I put my daughter into care so i could work would create any happiness for me even if I could pursue my career again. I do feel my care for her is instinctive though and I am not going to apologise for that

If you say so dawndonna, it must be true; I'm absolutely distraught that I have lost my good standing in your eyes.

Well you may have academia but you don't have manners Sammy.

This thread is fascinating but very, very sad. We're having similar cuts in my country though not as extreme so this makes for very interesting reading and educating.

Oh good grief, and you had the cheek to state that somebody had lost the argument by swearing.
Sweetie, you need to do some serious academic research, sort out some empirical evidence, live a bit of a life and then come back, you are far too immature young to contribute to this discussion.

Massive coincidence then that in these fair marriages women end up doing all the drudge stuff and compromising career, isn't it? No wonder why never get anywhere.

Lots of women who earn a lot with disabled children have carers they pay for. It's not that different from employing a nanny or childminder whilst you work although I accept for some conditions it must be very hard to find someone even if you recruit a trained nurse from the Philippines or two strong lads from Croatia who can do heavy lifting.

There is no point in people on low incomes paying tax which is then in effect repaid to them as tax credits. It is a totally waste of money. Tax credit just make many many peoploe who earn up ton £5ok claimants. Much better just to take them less and perhaps remove the 200 year long standing income tax entirely. I would have to get my calculator out to work that out. We need a site which shows a pie chart showing how much revenue comes from individuals' taxes (most tax) and how mucho f that comes from whom and how much is VAT, CGT, IHT, stamp duty etc.