George Osborne Gets Booed Handing Medals at the Paralympic Athletics Medal Ceremony

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The nation boos at the Tory scum:

Abitwobbly You have been asked a number of times not to bring into the discussion Mr. Brown's disability. It is disablist, it is rude and completely unnecessary. It is also extraordinarily rude to tell people who complain about your remarks regarding a disability to 'get a life'. I would strongly recommend taking your remarks elsewhere, you're really not welcome here.
Whilst you are here, though. This was not a discussion about Brown, or his policies. This was a discussion about the fact that Gideon and his ilk are penalising the most needy members of society.
As for the Brown discussion, I'd happily have it with you, but in the same way I do not converse with homophobes and racists, I don't converse with people who preface remarks with disabilist comments.

Lol redlac all true I'm afraid. We even do 'code milky green' when he has a cold!

And with that bit of thought policing, Dawn exits left in a warm cloud of self-congratulation...

From Dunroamin:

"I wonder how they would have responded to Tony Blair, seeing how he is responsible for a lot of the competitors being disabled in the first place."

Dawndonna - I completely support what you said a couple of posts ago. Wobbly's insistence on using disablist language is frankly disgusting. I have reported it.
Can we all just ignore her tedious rants and unpleasant insults, which are irrelevant to the thread in any case?

Fuckinh hell, is Jeremy Clarkson on MN?

"2) Gordon Brown was the leader of the Labour Party, who at the time held a parliamentary majority, therefore he become Prime Minister. He at least had a democratic mandate to act, however weak. There is no democratic mandate for the cuts. "

MammaBrussels, that's a breathtaking re-Writing of recent events; everyone in the 2010 election was running on a programme of cuts - Alistair Darling categorised the labour offering as "cuts deeper than Thatcher". The only question was their speed (deficit eliminated in 5 years or 10)

Love those clips, CatPower!
Dawndonna, really your DH?

wobbly No one is sticking up for GB, they are pointing out that using someone's health problem/disability as an insult is neither appropriate, useful, polite or (in this case) relevant.

Actually, wrt to relevancy, maybe it is.. somehow it fits that someone who supports the actions of this govt would think a disability is an ok target for ridicule.

By all means slag him off for all the bad decisions/bad personality traits, he should be held accountable for them, but for something he cannot help? If you can't see why that isn't appropriate (especially in this thread) then you really need to think again.

"a detached retina in the spectrum of disability is really nothing to get excited about. Get a life."

So it's fine to make fun of someone if they are "only a bit disabled"?

Can you not see how vile you are coming across?

At this point I feel I can't contribute effectively to the debate any further, or address seriously the issues I have with wobbly's posts, until I am furnished with detailed information about any disabilities she may have, and the extent to which it is valid to a) 'get excited about' them and b) mention them every time I argue that I think she's being an idiot.

On the evidence of this thread, no I would not agree that identifying as 'right wing' is synonymous with having good manners.

Quite, merry.

So much bitterness here - tough times call for tough action. He isn't penalising the genuinely disabled. He is trying to change a mindset/ belief system of entitlement that has become endemic in this country.

Perhaps Sammy you should read some of the stories on here, 20ldtobeamum has a dd with Down's syndrome, a learning difficulty and a heart condition. She has been declared fit for work. So how are they not penalising the genuinely disabled?

But he IS penalising the genuinely disabled! There are plenty of other 'tough' actions he could take that would save more money. But because those would take money from the rich, he's chosen this route instead. They are the ones who feel 'entitled' - to pay no or very little tax, for instance.

Sorry Dawndonna - who has been declared fit for work, the mother or the child? Downs syndrome does not mean that you cannot work, they are capable of living reasonably independent lives and should not automatically be categorized as so disabled that they are incapable of living a full life. A friend of mine when I was a child had Downs, and she was capable enough to work in a dry-cleaners with customers and lived in her own flat at her parents home.

DEChick - the better off are already paying a lot - the top 1% of earners pay 24% of ALL income tax and the top 10% of earners pay 55% of ALL income tax - hardly avoidance is it?

There are so many wealthy people out there that have every tax loophole going.
They should be the targets.
Instead this vile government prefers to claw the money back from the disabled and the terminally ill.
GO being booed was not planned, nobody knew he was coming on. It wasn't so much a boo, more a WTAF and a SIOB.
It was totally spontaneous, which shows that there are a hell of a lot of people who couldn't quite believe what they were seeing.

People accusing the all the wealthy of using tax avoidance is the same as people accusing everyone on benefits are scroungers. Both are nasty, both are in accurate, and both make people who comment of them unworthy of credit for their opinions.

well said

The daughter has been declared fit for work. As have many other people who are very obviously not fit for work. That is why the win rate at appeal is so high.
Unfortunately, there are also a number who have been declared fit for work who have died.
The point is that some people are able to work, but unfortunately there are some who are not, they too are being declared fit for work.

The richest 1% pay 30% of tax. We work very very very hard. Often 7 days a week to support benefit claimants, idle and deserving and wars with which we do not agree and state schools we never use. We do this ungrudgingly day in day out and we get nothing but envy and never thanks from anyone and certainly not the state nor political parties of either persuasion who all seem to prefer that we might just get fed up, stop work or leave and then the poor then nation would have to live on very little indeed.

All parties campaigned on a poilcy of cuts - labour's were 20% and the coalition's 25%. There is little to choose between them.

Only the right can properly look after the disabled and disadvantaged and has their best interests at heart. Thankfully they are currently in power.

Ungrudgingly? Yep, certainly sounds that way.

xenia - slightly off topic, but you seem to spend an awful lot of time posting on mumsnet for someone who is working very very very hard.

sammypaws - it is great that you know someone with downs who is capable of work but this is not always the case.

Surely then dawndonna, the problem lies with the application of the policy and not the policy itself.

I also strongly believe that the number of those actually incapable of work is a lot lower than those actually claiming the benefit. I don't have an issue with those genuinely in need having the safety net of the welfare state to support them. What I take exception to is the the malingerers who fraudulently claim benefit for non-existent or over-played medical conditions, thereby giving all benefit claimants (which includes the deserving) a poor reputation.

I also think that most people are capable of doing something - even if it is not for financial gain it surely would help them mentally to be out and about, meeting new people, and gaining new experiences.

It feeds into the working day. I was working and emailing work things before 7am today and I will stop around 10 but during the day I will have dealt with children and been on mumsnet in the background a bit too. I do think people should cnosider a 6 - 7 day working week and less holiday and evening work too because then you have such a nice flexible life with work and other things fitting into it. It is certainly a balance which feels pretty good to me.

of course many people cannot get work even if they stand in the street with a sign on, eamil 30 contacts a day and do door drops of leaflets although I am not sure most people make the efforts some of us have made to generate work.