To question the jail sentence for the mum who stabbed her 4 year old?

[Liketochat1]

There's such a sad story of a mum who stabbed her 4 year old daughter in the news at the moment.www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9510938/Nurse-who-stabbed-her-four-year-old-to-death-gets-12-years.html.
She looks like such a broken woman. She not only killed her daughter but also tried to kill herself leaving herself with some brain damage and confined to a wheel chair with other physical disabilities. At the time of the attack she was depressed and facing charges for malpractice and had been left by her partner that day.
She has just been sentenced to 12 years in jail. Do you think she should be jailed? I can't help help but feel she's suffered so much already. Am I unreasonable?

Personality disorder isn't something you have short term and then recover from

hackmum not really sadly i have been reading many stories on people being freed on so called expects say so only for them to jump on soical network and glot and laugh in the face of the court

oh ignore my last post she is in prison for 32 years, not a secure unit. but she is appealing

in which case, is 12 years enough for this woman in op post?

shesariver i do understand but i just dont buy it i sure thats what her legal team were trying to peddle to the court

But if your really ill i dont think you just sunddly become well like awakings

And like i said very covient timing

" It is however very interesting that she couldnt see her daughter as a separate human being and saw her as an emotional extension of herself."

How do you know that, shesariver?

It's in the link

Any way sad for the father sad for the life this girl will never had the only people i feel sorry for are those who end up in jail for killing intruders ( but dont get me strted on that )

Not every one who kill their children are crazy we would like to think so because if their not crazy it dosent bare thinking about whats going on with that person

"having a mental health issue dose not mean you dont know what your doing"

I too cannot comment on what was in the woman's mind at the time of the manslaughter but I actually think threads like these do highlight some gross misunderstandings where mental health is concerned.

There are plenty of mental health issues which mean that people don't have any idea of what they're doing and sometimes no recollection either. Mental health is rarely an area where you can make such sweeping generalisations. Of course people will use mental health to excuse behaviour too, but just because that happens, doesn't mean that somebody else isn't a victim of their own illness.

And it's worth pointing out that if a person feels compassion towards one human being, they aren't restricted to only feeling compassion towards that one person. So I might very well say that actually I can have a shred of sympathy for the mother who killed her daughter. This does not mean that I don't have swathes of compassion for her dd or the family left behind.

And I would feel the same way were the convicted person male or female.

my gp wanted to put me in hospital when I had pnd but i refused (being a nurse myself there was no way I would have gone in!)
I could never harm my child ever.
depression is easy to treat on the whole so maybe she did have it, who knows?! It could be an excuse for lesser sentence (that thought makes me feel ill) still she done something so horrendous and deserves punishment. she knew what she was doing otherwise she would have a diagnosis of something other than depression imo.

Thanks Blackberry, confess to not reading to the end.

kittyandthefontanelles " It is however very interesting that she couldnt see her daughter as a separate human being and saw her as an emotional extension of herself."

How do you know that, shesariver?

Because it says so in the report....

Does the reason she did it matter? she tabbed her daughter and left her to die slowly. She should never be allowed to come into contact with a child as long as she lives. She should be forcibly sterilised. I have no idea what could lead a person to do this but if it happened once then it could again.

Lunar.. That's a chance you take with every released criminal.

I know blackberry, I jut feel that the justice system puts the needs of criminals ahead of victims. I do believe in rehabilitation but not at the risk of innocent lives.

My take on this is: yes, those actions were horrendous, but try, just try, to imagine how utterly wretched and despairing you'd have to be feeling to do something like that.

I can't begin to imagine those feelings. Which makes me very lucky.

There but for the grace of God, and all that.

She's not in a secure unit because she is not considered to be a danger to anyone else.

She killed her daughter because she intended to kill herself and didn't want to leave her behind, she did not attempt suicide because she had killed her daughter. It's called extended suicide apparently.

There is no particular opinion of mine attached to this, it's just driving me nuts reading people asking questions about this, or making assumptions when it's all in the article, then other people who read the thread and not the article picking up the misconceptions and running with it.

If I had to add an opinion I would just say it is very, very sad all round. It must be horrific to find out you did something like that (it also says she can't remember doing that, maybe that is a blessing for her) and have to live with it forever (it also says she was a doting mother), but those are the consequences of doing something so terrible.

What feelings? Her ex had a date?

She murdered her child because she was in trouble at work for leaking confidential information, she is evil and selfish and the fact she has ended up in a wheelchair by her own actions does not mean she should not be jailed.
I can see this would have been a very different thread had she been a man

My understanding is she brought about this by her own act of putting her partner before her child's security ie her job. Then when he was no longer interested in her she took her daughters life, losing her job wasn't the straw that broke the camels back so to speak her DP having another woman was.

Poor poor child, she fully deserves her sentence.

It might be an idea, for people to either READ the link or perhaps for OPs to C&P the link for those who can't open it.

The child was not the biological child of her ex partner.

And her suicide note said that she was sorry she had taken the child away from people who loved her but she couldn't leave her with no money, placing material wealth above the value of the child's life.

No money.... Because she had been sacked ( or about to be)

She would have been on benefits at the very least, not destitute.