Tia Sharp

[LadyBeagleEyes]

Is this now a banned topic on MN?
With the new arrests, and nothing being posted, I'm assuming it is.
Fair enough if that's the decision, I'm just curious.

edam where have i accused anyone?

Have came back after posting and none of this makes sense to me because of all the deletions. I wouldnt like to think my neighbour could get in my house through the loft if that can happen!

Regarding the dogs - who knows? Dogs trained to detect a dead body, as opposed to "ordinary" search dogs trained to detect a live body are a highly specialised resource and I would really doubt if they had been brought in at the start of an investiagtion into a missing child.

Why are houses built like that? surely apart from a risk of theft and intruders to houses, there is a fire risk if the dividing wall is incomplete?

They were built in the thirties I believe. It wasn't unusual then.

I grew up in a house like that, and I never liked to go to the bathroom in the night because that is where the loft hatch was, and although we never had anything untoward happen it was an irrational fear of someone emerging from it

if the houses are/were council houses, that might explain the open access lofts - back then things were seen as more communal than we do nowadays. We had an issue with next doors waste and water supply running through our garden, as when the houses were built, the council didn't envisage them being owned privately.

Council houses are usually pretty 'bib and braces' about anything like fire safety.They don't want to be sued.

depends when it was built - apparently my house and next door (semi) shared an attic until the houses were bought privately.

those aren't 30s houses - they're 60s or 70s

shesarivier, they took cadaver dogs in to the house last Wednesday, but she wasn't found until Friday, which it's so baffling

There isn't really a lot anyone can speculate as we will all get deleted

The newer bits of New Addington were built in 1960s, and the houses seen on the News look more like 60/70s build than 1930s. I've no idea if building regs still permitted connecting lofts at that time.

I'm currently watching some lectures given by Professor Elizabeth Murray, who's a noted forensic anthropologist in the USA. She said that in her opinion cadaver dogs don't have a very good success rate.

She also points out that TV shows and movies don't portray forensic science very accurately (and I'd assume that's the same for police investigations). The problem is that it's difficult for us lay-people to distinguish between accurate portrayals on the small or big screen and the artistic licence taken by the programme makers, so we can end up with questions about real-life investigations.

why does a post mortem get 'paused'--for 4 days?

Fancy equipment needed? Need test results back before proceeding?
Thing I hate about CSI is how quickly they get results. In reality it takes weeks to get results back, often.

I don't think the actual examination gets paused. As lljkk says, there are other tests that are done and even in high-priority cases that can still take some time.

im sure the news said the examination was halted on Saturday, and will be resumed on Thursday?

icecold do you mean the inquest?

Inquests in these circs are usually opened and adjourned pending a verdict.

The post mortem examination will have been done. The defence would probably want to do their own tests. It has to happen.

But as soon as the coroner is satisfied that everyone's had a fair look at the poor girl, Tia will be given to those who love her for a decent funeral asap.

When the inquest eventually does happen it will be a formality because everyone will know what happened.

X-posted. I didn't know that icecold. I guess it wasn't ready to proceed. No idea why

nope, i dont mean inquest, i mean autopsy

Ill google see if i have mis-heard/understood....

www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/video-12yearold-tia-sharp-found-wrapped-in-bedsheet-and-hidden-in-loft-3199173.html

The cause of death has not yet been established. A post mortem was opened on Saturday and is expected to recommence this week

'A post-mortem examination, which was paused on Saturday night, is expected to resume on Thursday afternoon, police said. The cause of death has yet to be identified'

\link{http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19256569\BBC News}

Oh, I can now think of at least one possible reason for a post-mortem being paused, but I actually don't want to say or even think anything further.

I do wish that MNHQ would change the "Geeky Stuff" to "Geeky and Science Stuff" or something like that, so it would be a place to discuss science things without topics being associated with real-life individual cases.

can i start a thread in geeky stuff, to ask that question? i think there is a science section? if i dont link the question to this or any other case?

shesarivier, they took cadaver dogs in to the house last Wednesday, but she wasn't found until Friday, which it's so baffling

Thanks ponders I didnt know that.

I wonder what dogs they used? I know there are some very specialised dogs in that field who have a very good success rate.