What punishment do you think the British legal system would deem appropriate for someone who rapes a 5 year old?

[Mintyy]

I'm not going to link because I saw this in the Daily Mail. But, really, am truly horrified.

I do. If a 14yo knows it is wrong - and they WILL - and they STILL choose to do it - then they are unreformable IMO.

They made the choice to do it, KNOWING it is wrong. This stuff is all covered in PSHE before they are 14yo. They made an ACTIVE CHOICE TO COMMIT A PAEDOPHILIC ACT. Therefore, it is NOT reformable. Once it has happened once, they have made that choice.

Would you be saying the same if a man forced an adult woman to give him oral sex? I doubt it. You would be calling it rape. So why should it NOT be called rape when a 14yo who has chosen to do this to a young child does it?

Why are you minimising the offence just because a 14yo committed it? He was old enough to make an INFORMED CHOICE over whether to commit the crime. So how is THAT reformable?

Peadophiles & child killers imo are the worst danger to the children in society.
I do think they are worse than any other criminal as they snatch a childs life away forever.
Children are innocent and pure and should not have to live in fear of these types of predators.
To kill or rape a child is beyond any normal persons thinking, a normal person does not have urges to rape a child, mutilate a child or kill a child-so what im trying to say is that the above are not normal and should not be walking the streets amongst us preying on our children or even their own.
These sorts of creatures need to be locked up away from society so our children can have normal childhoods not be mutilated, raped or murdered.
If i only had one dc & someone ever hurt him or her i would kill but i have 4dc so i would never put my self in prison as i will leave my others behind.

If the 5 yo is an only child i hope the parents hunt him down and make him pay-sorry but its my opinion

Arson where people lose their lives, and murder, are generally punished pretty severely, seeker.
14yo don't usually drive cars. And the death isn't usually intentional. Personally I feel there should be much harsher penalties for car related things but that is another thread I suspect.

"If this had been my child this boy wouldn't be alive."

Me too. That's why the families of victims should not be involved in the judicial process.

Funny I know I'm nothat girl but my abuser started at 11 years old you saying he was a victim

Seeker - it would have nothing to do with a judicial process. It wouldn't make it that far.

Seeker you just contradicted yourself telling us were forgetting he's 'only 14' but if it was your child you'd feel different so which one is it he's just a child or a paedophile?

I agree Cow, what he did is a peadophillic offence as he was NINE years older, she was just FIVE, FOURTEEN is well old enough to understand and see its not only wrong but sick to have sexual attraction for Little girls/boys.
He didn't rape anyone near his own age so he is a peadophile no matter whih way you look at!!

I would find it interesting to know the ages of the posters children that are saying he's only 14

IMO, a 10yo is old enough to make an INFORMED CHOICE over whether to commit a crime like this, so by 14yo, I have NO SYMPATHY WHATSOEVER.

Just because his parents failed him by letting him watch porn, IT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE FACT THAT HE MADE A CHOICE TO ORALLY RAPE A 5YO.

I was raped by my mother's paedophilic boyfriend. He was 19yo at the time. Does that make it any LESS of a choice that he made to rape me because he was still a teenager? Did it leave any less physical, emotional and MH scars because he was 'only' a teenager? Do I think he was ever going to be reformed because he was a teenager?

NO. He still made a choice to rape a 4yo.

I was raped as a 4yo. I would not abuse a child, because I HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY OWN BEHAVIOUR AND MY OWN ACTIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IN MY CHILDHOOD.

"Actually I think there should be proper intervention by professionals with regards to the 14 year old - the outcome with no intervention could be really bad."

Do posters realise that the judge has ordered thorough reports to be delivered to him every six months, to ensure that the boy is worked with, by all departments, rather than just put away for a number of years and released again?

As i said, i think that this should have been until he is 25, rather than 18, but this will get him better help to rehabilitate fully, than a custodial sentence would.

There isn't enough perpetrator programmes available in the prison and YOI system. That is why the re-offending rates are so high. They are locked up and then when the time has passed released again, with minimal help.

Couthy thats it to know the pain and trauma abuse causes means that the majority of survivors wouldn't inflict that on another child and would die before harming a child.

"Seeker you just contradicted yourself telling us were forgetting he's 'only 14' but if it was your child you'd feel different so which one is it he's just a child or a paedophile"

I don't think I have. If my child was the victim I would obviously not be able to look at the situation with any rationality at all- which is why, in those circumstances, I should not have any role in the meting out of justice at all. But becaus I am not in that vengeance demanding state I can consider the point as to whether a 14 year old could possibly be abhardened, unredeemqble paedophile.

Pan - "Sq - if you read wot I had written you'll find that everything comes from the posted article - there isn't anything that I have access to, and so be able to link to. I haven't interpreted anything."

All the things you said about this child - that he is socially isolated, that he has had to change schools, and so on. Where has that come from? I have read the article over and over and can't find anything apart from his defence lawyers said he was terribly remorseful, which I would take with a pinch of salt anyway TBH.

Hi birds

"Do posters realise that the judge has ordered thorough reports to be delivered to him every six months, to ensure that the boy is worked with, by all departments, rather than just put away for a number of years and released again?"

Can you tell us where that info comes from?
Is that what a "community order" means?

Yeah, remorseful that he got CAUGHT. Next time he'll probably just find a DC too young to talk.

Seeker put yourself in mine and Couthy and the others who've posted about our experiences can't you see our point of view then.

Birdsgottafly - but that's not enough. The poor little girl and her family can't just move on from this in a couple of years. This is for life.

And there's no way he didn't know what he was doing. Why blindfold her? Why make up a story to try to escape a punishment?

This country is disgusting. My DD is staying in till she's 30.

Yes Couthy we don't know he already hasn't they reckon I was younger than I remember as I don't remember it being anything other than normal behaviour

But birds - if they are locked away in isolation FOREVER, then there is NO risk of them reoffending. At All. So what if there are reports on him for less than 4 years. You think anything is going to change in those 4 years?

Apart from him learning how to keep himself from being discovered?

You could work with a man that has sexual feelings towards other men, and not be able to change the fact that he has those feelings, because he is, erm, GAY. In EXACTLY the same way, you could work with a teen/boy that has sexual feelings towards little children, and not be able to change the fact that they have those feelings because they are, erm, A PAEDOPHILE.

If being Gay or Straight is something that you cannot change, then so is being a paedophile. So no amount of rehabilitation is going to work!

I am in no way saying that being gay is like being a paedophile, far from it, just talking about the fact that it is seen by anyone normal that you do not 'choose' your sexual orientation - so how can a paedophile 'choose' not to be a paedophile?

"Can you tell us where that info comes from?"

Taken from the Telegraph report

"The judge told him: "You have not shown any partial sexual interest in children.

"I'm satisfied it was impulsive and I believe you have become sexualised by your exposure to and the corruption of pornography. Your exposure at such a young age has ended in tragedy.

"It was the fault of the world and society."

The judge requested six monthly reports be sent to him to monitor to the boy's progress and ordered him to register his whereabouts with the police for two and a half years.

A sexual offences prevention order was also made for five years, stating he must not access or seek to access pornography of any kind

The youth was also banned from using any mobile devices or computers without suitable filters to prevent the viewing of pornography"

A judge overseeing the boys progress would be more effective than what is available in a custodial setting. If there rae concerns at the end of this, then then other measures can be put into place.

I am not disagreeing with custodial sentences but there isn't enough going on whilst perpetrators are carrying them out.

But birds - if they are locked away in isolation FOREVER,

We would have to leave the EU to start with, so the best thing that can happen is that crimes are addressed in the most effective way, to prevent any more victims.

We would never lock children up, forever, even if we left the EU, most would be against this.

It can't be any different from being gay or straight, it is a sexual orientation. A paedophile's sexual orientation happens to be not acceptable to anyone, because, well, children can't CHOOSE to consent to sexual activity. Adults can.

So, IMO, adults can have whatever type of CONSENSUAL sexual activity they desire. But a Paedophile can NEVER have the type of sexual activity THEY desire, as it CANNOT BE CONSENSUAL.

There's a big difference between forever and nothing.

The poor poor parents.

Couthy like me Birds are biased against them being free to harm kids.