What punishment do you think the British legal system would deem appropriate for someone who rapes a 5 year old?

[Mintyy]

I'm not going to link because I saw this in the Daily Mail. But, really, am truly horrified.

dotty and couthy I am so sorry.

In this case the 14 year old put his penis in the child's mouth. His defence said, This was an isolated incident. There was no threat or force used and he stopped immediately Of course it's the defence's job to minimize his actions, but the prosecution didn't suggest that he did anything else. He didn't do what your abusers did.

Do you honestly think that he should be locked away for that? Not just for him, you have every right to not give a flying fuck what happens to him, but for him to have a chance of not reoffending, of not having any more victims, prison or YO is the last place he should go.

greencrops and you think thats ok???

It's not OK, what he did was despicable, but locking him away is not going to stop him reoffending. He'll become more isolated, he'll associate with older sex offenders and when he's released he'll have no chance of reintergrating.

Greencrops as I said earlier we only have his word that it was his first offence what if he has more 'victims' who are either to scared or to young to tell. Incidently only putting his penis in a childs mouth is oral rape.

dotty you're right, and I wish it hadn't been this judge. He seems to have a very warped view, from the cases linked upthread.

And no threat or force used I had that as well but it doesn't matter he was 9 years older than her he didn't need to threaten her imagine saying no to him she was scared.

I wasn't threatened either but it was violent. I don't think the use of force is any more serious than the use of manipulation.

He raped her, he was of an age able to comprehend his actions.

His punishment? a perpetrator programme, behind bars.

The problem is that heartbreaking, awful, tragic stories like the ones we have heard on here are not really relevant to th discussion. Of course if the little girl was ours , we would hunt down the boy concerned and tear him limb from limb. But that's why victims and their families are the worst people to dispense justice. Because what they dispensed wouldn't be justice, it would be vengeance. And that doesn't happen in a civilised society.

I don't know whether justice was served in this case. It sounds odd, and I'm sure that the sentence will be reviewed. It's right that there is a process for doing this. But we don't know all the facts. And calling the judge a pedophile is just silly.

"Do you honestly think he should be locked away for that".

Yes. I don't think he should receive a long sentence but I do think that his actions were serious enough to warrant a custodial sentence.

This judge doesn't seem to think child porn or any porn causes problems there's another thread on this and it links to 3/4 other cases a couple of which had the most severest level 5 of child porn and he let them off.

In many European countries a 14yo would be considered under the age of criminal responsibility so would be dealt with through some kind of Young Offenders system, not through a jail sentence.

In Sweden, for instance, the age of criminal responsibility is 15 (which, coincidentally, is the same as the age of consent).

No, if I wanted VENGEANCE, I would be calling for the death penalty.

(Which is incidentally, my first thoughts)

However, for the safety of ALL children, I fell that the only APPROPRIATE thing is to lock peadophiles in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, as we don't have the death penalty. (In part as a miscarriage of justice is impossible to rectify once the falsely accused/convicted is dead).

I don't give two SHINY SHITS about the 'rights' of a peadophile to be allowed to 'prove' they have been 'rehabilitated'. I care about the safety of other DC's that will be at risk if peadophiles are ever released from prison, to have the opportunity to reoffend.

How is even ONE child being abused acceptable? If every peaodophile was locked up forever, then it would be one less peadophile that DC are at risk from.

Why do you want paedophiles to be a special case? Why not arsonists, or anyone who kills someone driving while drunk?

And have you missed that the guilty party here is 14 years old?

Perhaps Seeker the fact the child is left with a life sentence.

I imagine that the reason she singles out paedophiles is

a. because of the terrible abuse she has suffered and
b. because it is well documented that paedophiles are extremely likely to reoffend

The basic point that people who are a danger to the pubic should be kept away from the public until the authorities are sure beyond reasonable doubt that they will cause no more harm is an idea that I support.

seeker I think people should contact the attorney general if they feel inclined but personally I am sorry to say I think it is unlikely that this sentence will be reviewed. I strongly suspect that it will not meet the bar of being unduly lenient.

We will have to wait and see on that though.

It isn't just the abuse look it up the amount of problems that victims/survivors live with is horrendous.

dotty I read the posts that you and couthy wrote, it is so shockingly awful.

i can't beleive these men were allowed to do it again and again and again.

Yes, the child is left with a life sentence. But so is a child burnt in an arson attack. Or who loses their mother to a hit and run driver. Or someone who is drawn into drug use by a dealer.

I find it hard to accept that a 14 year old is a hardened, unreformable paedophile.

I hope to god this poor wee girl gets help and fast before she is as damaged as other victims.

Yes, the child is left with a life sentence. But so is a child burnt in an arson attack. Or who loses their mother to a hit and run driver. Or someone who is drawn into drug use by a dealer.

I find it hard to accept that a 14 year old is a hardened, unreformable paedophile.

Thing is, it's NOT just our cases, the reoffending rate for padeophilia in particular is INCREDIBLY high - something like 75% or more of cases are involving offenders who have committed some sort of sexual act on a child previously.

Seeker external scars heal for example self harm, eating disorders and suicidal thoughts are just a few promblems let's not forget PTSD either.

Greencrops - do you have children??

I Honestly can't imagine that you do.

If this had been my child this boy wouldn't be alive.