Father and Mother of 6 children killed in fire are arrested over Murder

[marriedtoagoodun]

Breaking news is that Mr and Mrs Philpott have been arrested for the murder of their six children. I cannot believe this has happened. I pray that a mistake has been made. RIP children.

'cast iron'

Wifi....me too.

All murder cases are initially heard on magistrates court then referred on to crown/county court.

Wifi - bingo.

Nancy - really? I thought that people who didnt want to be overheard usually went to a park or went jogging? Or is that just in films...

I would have cracked too, no way I could bottle up that secret.

Its been noticeable recently that the police are getting info from bugging.

Twice in just the last week we've had a cases with it (the parents who covered up their son's crime, can't remember the other one atm).

I suspect people will be more careful in future if using this type of evidence becomes more routine.

I know the police make mistakes but hopefully with very serious cases they are making absolutely sure of their facts before making high profile charges.

I'm in Nottingham (not for this). After listening to people on the tram, the Police clearly know a fair bit about this family. It could be speculation though. There's a lot of media around the back entrance to the court and a handful of people waiting outside.

Can we stop with the no tears thing? It means nothing. You cannot lost 6 children you have given birth to and not grieve. It's impossible. Simply impossible. Regardless of what you may have done or may not have done ,that scale of loss provokes grief. It's really not helpful to require certain behaviour to prove that you are grieving.

Fwiw my uncle died aged 19 in a motorbike accident. My mum has told me that none of the family cried at the funeral except for on the way home when her bil broke down in the car. There was nothing 'odd' about that. Some grief is beyond tears.

Having said that, I think it seems strange that there doesn't appear to be any appealing for information. I thought that was the point of a press conference. He expresses his gratitute to all involved in the attempted rescue. A lot. But there doesn't seem to be a desperation to find whoever it was who torched their house whilst their children slept

I didn't watch it, basically because I knew I would find it too upsetting to watch tge parents going through it. But what strikes me from what you've said is probably exactly what the police were looking for, they didn't ask because they knew. There was a programme I saw that explored this and basically said when you went back and watched those who were later convicted, just about everything they said was true. Also what they didn't say was often telling.

I did say that people grieve in different ways, Northern.

The Police have appealed, Fanjo, they have been very subtle though. More of a 'don't be afraid to come forward with information.'

I thought the appeal was strange, weirdly phrased. There was something about the emergency services having to 'see what we saw', which just seemed like an odd thing to say to me. I put it down to not thinking straight when you're grieving.

My mom trained as a nurse, when one of the patients died the first thing his wife said was, 'well I want that ring back'. Doesn't mean she wasn't grieving just hat she wasn't thinking straight.

So odd phrasing and lack of tears from both parents doesn't 100% prove guilt.

No, it doesn't prove guilt at all. No one knows what their intentions were, it's just a very sad case.

This website may be of interest, is is based on a technique called 'statement analysis' which is about analysing the exact words that people use, on the basis that most people find it hard to outright lie, so will use words that create the impression they are after instead. I dont agree with everything on this site, and it is US based, so not all cases that will be familiar to a UK audience, but I find it interesting. here

Blimet, loads of deletions since I last look at this thread.

Hi all,

We have no wish to censor discussion (that's not what Mumsnet's about) but please do bear the below in mind before posting.

We have been alerted to this thread and we have been through it to remove speculative posts about the ins and outs of this case.

Any speculation about their guilt or the crime itself, would be prejudicial to any any trial and therefore we will remove them.

Thanks for not deleting the whole thing.

I believe lots of the deleted posts would not have been deleted within a different thread as they were more of a discussion than case based.

Ah man you wait 5 years for a deletion then 2 come along at once. I wouldn't mind but I was very careful to generalise information and not make it specific to this case. One was a non specific legal thing and the other was a slang definition. I hope no black marks against my name....

Sometimes it can be if your reply made it clear what another deleted post was about rather than that you said anything bad yourself.

Tell me about it, I've only had this name for less than a couple of weeks, had to waits years for a deletion on my old name