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Mumsnet, will you tell the woman that Ched Evans raped, that We Believe Her? And call upon the FA to kick sexism out of football?

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BasilFoulEggs · 29/04/2012 23:13

Dear Mumsnet
As you are no doubt aware, there has been the most extraordinary hate campaign waged this week by some football fans, against a rape victim in the wake of the Ched Evans Guilty Verdict.

The jist of the hatespeak, has been that a drunk woman has no right to expect the basic human right of not having her body penetrated without her active participation in that sexual act, or even her passive consent. Presumably because men (or at least footballers and their friends) have the right to penetrate women who are incapable of consent. And that if a man rapes you, it is because you are a slut, a slag and all the other hate-speak words used to de-humanise women and make it easier for people not to empathise with us when we are abused.

This week has seen the really ugly spectacle, of a bunch of men asserting their right to rape women, handmaidens supporting that right and both of them sending out a clear warning to all other rape victims, to know what to expect if they dare to pursue justice if they are raped.

If there had been a similar outpouring of hatred against any other historically oppressed group, the rest of the media would have been tearing their hair out analysing why some men hated this group so much, where the hatred came from, why it existed, what could be done about it; but ironically apart from the Daily Fail, there has been very little comment in response to the Twitter hate-campaign. If Twitter had buzzed with indignation at the jailing of the man who posted hate-speak about Fabrice Muamba, I?ve no doubt that the FA would have tracked down the posters and banned them from football matches. Because they?re busy kicking racism out of football. Sexism, though, is fine. They can give a bloody award to a convicted rapist, while their supporters conduct what must be a terrifying hate campaign against his teenage victim? right now, football fans don?t look all that much better than the Taliban, do they?

Mumsnet, will you use the voice you have against this horrible hate campaign? Will you tell the woman that Ched Evans raped, that We Believe Her? Will you ask the FA to state publicly, that they too, believe her and that in future, they will work as hard to kick sexism out of football, as they do to kick racism out?

Thank You.

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Twunk · 01/05/2012 09:40

I believe her.

Pussinflipflops · 01/05/2012 09:45

I believe her.

mybabyweightiseightyearsold · 01/05/2012 09:46

I hope someone shows the woman this thread.

I believe her.

HugeGrant · 01/05/2012 09:46

I believe her.

pinkpyjamas · 01/05/2012 09:56

"Do such people have no mothers, sisters, aunts, girlfriends? Would they shrug and say 'good on him, fair game' if their sister was in the same position? I think not, they would beat their chest in gorilla fashion, get some mates together and give him a hiding".

Frontpaw, in this case, it is the sister of the convicted rapist who has set up the FB page demanding his 'immediate retrial', and over 4,400 people are supporting it, many of them women.

It is a real eye-opener on there Sad

Greythorne · 01/05/2012 09:56

I think this thread is fantastic and a terrific show of support to a woman who has been raped by an individual and verbally / online attacked by a mob.

But........why the "I believe her" angle?

There is no doubt. Evans raped her. He has been found guilty. He is in prison. The jury found him guilty.

The only people casting doubt on the events are the people with no idea what consent is, whst raoe is and what it means to be found guilty.

Surely "our" campaign should be "Evans is a rapist" rather than "I believe her" as the latter suggests it is still open to debate.

When DSK had the charges dropped in NY, the "I believe her" angle was highly relevant. Because the woman was not being believed. But here, that's not the case. Let's put the spotlight back on him, not her.

EVANS IS A RAPIST.

ripsishere · 01/05/2012 09:58

I believe her.

OracleInaCoracle · 01/05/2012 09:59

GreyThorne, people are still doubting that he is guilty. they still believe that consent is in being unable to say no. seriously, look at the support page for him on FB. its appalling.

KampaKat · 01/05/2012 10:02

Greythorne I think because the 'I believe her' campaign is a positive angle against the 4000 odd people on that facebook page set up by his sister who say they do not believe her.

She knows Evans in a rapist, we know Evans is a rapist, even the 4000 people on that facebook page probably KNOW Evans is a rapist...but it is possibly more important to her that she knows that people believe in her.

I believe her.

SoupDragon · 01/05/2012 10:04

I believe her

AwayWithTheWeeFolk · 01/05/2012 10:06

I believe her.

RunsWithScissors · 01/05/2012 10:27

I believe her.

And am bloody impressed at the power of mumsnet. Well done for getting this going!

FarloRigel · 01/05/2012 10:30

I believe her. Sex without consent is rape and a vile and indefensible thing to do. There is no way any decent human being would do such a thing and to support an individual convicted of such an act is shameful.

MyDogShitsShoes · 01/05/2012 10:54

Just posted this on the other thread

^Lets keep the momentum going today!

Yesterday was great but it really was just the start.

His supporters are frighteningly loud and obsessed with shouting us down so we need to be louder.

They have 4427 likes for their FB page, we have 1042.

If he manages to secure a re-trial how many of us are confident he won't be aquitted? If they could't find McDonald guilty Evan's conviction is surely hanging by a thread.

We have to keep shouting from the roof tops, for her and for everyone.^

#IBelieveHer

MyDogShitsShoes · 01/05/2012 11:05

Didn't think I could be any more stunned by all this then they come up with this gem

note the fabulous typos

#IBelieveHer

Frontpaw · 01/05/2012 11:10

I only read the first few. Sooooo he can't be guilts because he is quite good a kicking a football around? Any lawyer may want to enlighten me on that one part of the British legal system.

McPie · 01/05/2012 11:11

We (Dh and I) believe her

GravyHadALumpyMashBaby · 01/05/2012 11:19

Good grief, their logic is astounding.

Of course! He can't be guilty because he's a footballer/a man/scored 35 goals/his mate also had sex with her and he wasn't convicted/his sister says so/the police, CPS and jury are all stupid etc etc etc Hmm

SoupDragon · 01/05/2012 11:31

"If he manages to secure a re-trial how many of us are confident he won't be acquitted?"

I'm not at all confident. I believe he would be acquitted on some technicality.

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oceanstwo · 01/05/2012 11:43

Evans is a rapist.

SephoraRosebud · 01/05/2012 11:43

I believe her

MyDogShitsShoes · 01/05/2012 11:48

Soupy and MooBaa that's exactly what I mean and is why we have to keep this going.

She and everyone else has to know the WE BELIEVE HER.

Greythorne · 01/05/2012 11:52

Are there any reasonable grounds for a retrial?

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