Child guru says nurseries harm small children

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oh dear

hmm greensleeves - I believe in Creationism (and the 'spare rib shite' as you put it). But doesn't mean I have the same (wierd) views as beartime on the subject of the 'womans role' in marriage/childrcare.

And lets face it - despite all the feminism out there in general women ARE the weaker sex. How many of us could honesly put our hands up and say "yes in a fight with my DP I'd definitely win because I'm stronger than him........."

believe it greensleeves
just wait till we have the caliphate, you will be longing for this b/s spare rib stuff#

anyone remember the mag Spare Rib (wistful bra burning ball breaking sigh)?

Oh yes, I do. Had two job interviews there, but never quite got there...

Mmmm. Spare ribs are sold as a main course meal in the US. And a dandy tasting one, too, I might add .

ah MI those were the days....
from
Spare Rib to Heat
and they call that progress

Loved Spare Rib. Spent many an afternoon upstairs at that Women's Centre caff on Cowley Road reading old back issues of it.

I meant - are there really women who still fall for this drippy "helpmeet" crap? Where is your self-worth? Why do you need to feel like some bloke's appendage? Baffling. I can see why a man would want to perpetuate it, but a woman doing it is sinister. And, in the case of the "spare rib" Genesis version of events, it's so laughably crude!

I always fancied a look at the magazine but have never actually seen it.

QoQ - most of us (even men!) have thankfully advanced beyond a scenario in which leadership was awarded on the basis of ability to win a fist fight. There are other criteria which seem to have more relevance.

I have plenty of self worth, perhaps you should read all of that first link I posted to a few posts back - that's pretty much DH's and I's take on things. WE have a very happy and successful marriages (ok a had a slight 'blip' a few weeks back - but then what married couple hasn't had a spat on occasions).

You are perfectly entitled to your opinions, but I believe in Creationism (and evolution to a degree....) and am a Christian and don't particularly like people taking the pss out of my beliefs when I'm not taking the pss out of theirs.

I was talking about the comment from someone else about 'weaker sex' - "Ooops" I believe it was.

Perhaps an open discussion forum isn't the best environment for you then? Having your precious beliefs subjected to criticism and disagreement is part of the experience, it seems to me

I didn't say I minded people disagreeing with me happens frequently on here - but people taking the p*ss is an entirely different matter.

If you think lifes so bad following what the bible says towards mens and women's relationships wonder why DH does 1/2 the childcare (literally - as I'm often sleeping in the mornings as I work nights), did a huge pile of ironing while I was at training at work this morning, baths the boys at the weekends (can't during the week as he's working at bath time), lets me have control over my own money, lets me go out on the town with friends (not that it happens often ATM but hopefully soon will as I think I've just found my new 'drinking partner' a new girl at work), mops the floors, oh most important cleans the toilets - I've NEVER cleaned the toilets since we were married 6yrs ago he always does it .

Now that's MY kind of man.

would this be the wrong time to hold my hand up and say "yes in a fight with my DP I'd definitely win because I'm stronger than him........."

and I was feeling so good about that too until Meansleeves goes and spoils it by telling me everyone else has moved on. Bugger.

go for it squarer - you're one of the 'rare' ones .

I hate all this ultra modern feminism stuff, "we're equal to men" cr*p. What's wrong with a man 'looking after' you, give me a man who opens doors, gives me flowers and champagne and always picks up the bill at the restaraunt/shopping any day of the week LOL.

A fine and highly subjective distinction it seems to me. To many rational people, the notion that the first woman was fashioned out of the rib of a man in order to be his helpmeet is plain ridiculous, a crass pictorial justification for centuries of oppression and injustice, completely implausible, at odds with everything concrete we have learned about our world. And quite alarming too, especially when one hears other women disseminating it. Where does "disagreement" start to spill over into "taking the p*ss"? You might have to be a bit more thick-skinned if you want to express opinions which you know most people are going to baulk at, QoQ.

ROFL Meansleeves...bang to rights!!!

Not just to be his helpmate - to be his companion too.....perhaps you should read a little further on the matter before talking about something of which you evidently have a strong opinion, but not much to back it up.

I'd like to know where the oppression is in my family - perhaps DH's lack of lie-ins if I've worked extra shifts????

It spills over when people start talking about "laughably crude" "spare rib shite"....etc etc.

I know there's lots of people on this thread that don't agree with me - nothing new there as I've said before, but most of them don't need to start insulting mine (and others) beliefs to try and get their point across.

Just proves doesn't it that the bible could only have been written by a man. imagine if it had been written by a woman would it then have been the other way round?

see that'st he thing I have to smile at. most Christian intrepations of the bible show the MAN having the hard work to do - he's supposed to be the ehad of the family, bring in the money, love his wife more than anything else in the world. And all we've got to do is make sure he's got food in his stomach and clean clothes before we kick him out the door to work.

But to me it is laughably crude. It's actually quite offensive to me. I haven't insulted you personally, I just think that the Book of Genesis is poorly written, transparent, embarrassingly obvious propaganda. A blunt instrument, in fact. "Shite" is just a more succint way of putting it

It's insteresting that you assume I have no education and no background in theology. My impression was that your own interpretation of Christian sociology was rather dated. How wrong we can be when we make personal assumptions about people. Perhaps we had better stick to the debate, and steer clear of conjecture about one another's individual proclivities in future.

not to mention bear his children. I'm all for being looked after and lavished with gifts... etc, but let's not forget that in the bible days the woman was expected to bear many children. and it was not seen to be a good thing if the children, especially the first born, were not boys.

GS the thing is that it seems to be ok for people who have strong faith to look down on the people who don't. Not referring to anyone specifically here, but I know of people who are deeply religious, and who genuinely believe, and feel it is their moral and christian duty, to tell me that if I don't accept God into my heart then I will burn in the eternal fires of hell, an eternal fire which I have recently learned has been abolished by the catholic church, but it is not seen as acceptable for non believers to tell believers that what they believe is, in our opinion, a load of rubbish.

how can a book - which you obviously have no beliefe in be offensive to you. Noone (I assume) is standing over you telling you that you must believe it.

God: Adam, I've decided to find a campanion for you. She will obey you, cook for you, raise your children, never argue with you, and she will ask nothing in return.
Adam: Wow, that sounds great.
God: She will be called Woman.
Adam: When can I have her?
God: Wait a minute, there's more. It is going to cost you.
Adam: Oh, okay. How much?
God: An arm and a leg.
Adam: Hmmm.. That's a lot. What can I get for a rib?