Stand up for your elders as a mark of respect

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David Cameron has said that children should (stand) and it reminded me of a custom in middle east where children will stand when their father walks into the room as a mark of affection and respect. As the children reach adulthood they will start standing for both mum and dad. (I think it happens in the chinese and japanese culture too, but am not sure)

Is this such a bad thing to adopt here too?

Who said shout I thought we said raise your voice

I don't have a Problem with a whistle should I?

What did we all do a few years ago then

A school that successfully manages to get its kids to stand when an adult enters the room without it descending into farce is likely to be a school with good behaviour and excellent results. Correlation does not imply causation.

A whistle is inappropriate for inside, far too loud and likely to freak out any child on the spectrum.
Plus what about the class next door?

No way should a decent teacher use a WHISTLE inside. That's dreadful, and if they need to do that then they should certainly be looking at their entire culture of discipline (or lack of).

Can't they blow a whistle quietly?!!!
I hardly said they should walk up to the nearest child and blast it into their ear

Ds and dn are on the spectrum and a whistle wouldn't bother them in the slightest

Doesn't all the general noise disturb the class next door half the time I'm in school I wonder how anyone can do anything other than junk modelling what with all the kids talking, wondering around, doing different work etc etc

Not like it was in your day then southwest?
I think I remember 'RIGHT THEN' and a clip round the ear or a piece of chalk heading your way if you didn't stop and look.

My DS is on the spectrum, he'd have thumped someone with an unexpected whistle.

Not unexpected surely if all that noise

Spite convincing my kids I'm 22 I really can't seem to remember what it was like for me

Not as much wandering around I'm sure
Much more whole class teaching

My main memory is of being stunningly bored ALL the time and reading books under the table and behind the bookcase

I can also remember the bullying teachers making fun of my accent

Um and trying to fall over in the playground because I wanted a plaster just like my BFF

Sorry that should be despite

What, even teenagers? Really? Isn't that the school's job?

Manners need to be taught at home, at school and by others around when appropriate and also their peers who are the best teachers . Teens are more likely to take notice of their peers than anyone else

My dd2 attend more than one sports club, when she finishes she thanks the coach after each session - it is polite to thank someone for their time and effort, she saw her peers thanking coaches and followed suit - that said not all the dc thanks the coaches.

Manners should have been taught well before they arrive at secondary school. In fact, I'm teaching my two year old basic manners now; I would hope that was fairly standard.

I am sort of with Dave on this (honestly never voted for the man and never would, but bear with me).

There is something mannered and courteous about rising for your elders, or in fact when anyone enters a room. I insist that my DCs stand up and surrender their seats on a crowded tube for their elders. They protest, but I think it's courteous. Manners maketh man and all that.

Do you make them stand up when you enter the room?

No, that's just silly :) But I would expect them to stand up when an adult who was not their parent entered the room, in order to welcome them. As I would stand myself.

But what if the adult walking into the room doesn't want to be welcomed by your children because he is not making a grand entrance? Would you expect them to stand up to 'welcome' a plumber who has come to fix a leak in the kitchen, as he walks through your living room?

It is not the position of a class to welcome an adult into the room. And in fact the vast majority of adults that come into my classroom don't want the attention of my class on them.

I think we used to stand for adults who entered the room. But then we did not have open plan classrooms, every class had its own classroom with very little shared material, there was hardly ever any traffic of people who did not come directly to address the class. So it worked well for us, but I can see how disruptive it would be in some of dcs' classes.

The problem with these introduced-from-above gestures is that they often hark back to some other earlier or foreign culture that the people who are told to adopt them may not have positive, or indeed any, associations to.

I used to have to curtsey to adults when I was a child in Sweden. Maybe the Japanese (who seem to be complaining a lot about the behaviour of their teens) only need to adopt this foreign gestures and all their problems will be solved.

I stand up for elders who walk into a room. Its just the way I was brought up. I expect my kids to do the same.
When I am with colleagues who stay blithely seated when a 96 year old walks in, I am literally squirming. Every cell in me is telling me to stand up and say hello, but if i do, then I am showing them up, and they think its weird to do so. which leaves me feeling very uncomfortable.

Why would children already be in a classroom before the teacher arrives?

I went to a progressive senior school where we did not stand for the teachers, called them by their first names (unless they wanted to be Mr./Ms. X) and didn't wear uniform.

Behaviour was good, we were quiet when the teachers asked us to be and listened to them, we worked if the teacher had to step out of the room and we could be trusted to do as we were asked (for the most part, I'm sure there was some poor behaviour on occasion). I had at least as much respect for those teachers as for the ones in my previous schools which were all more formal in their approach.

As for generally standing up for our elders - I just don't see it as a sign of respect. I'd find it disconcerting and really weird to have anyone younger than me stand when I entered a room. A sign of respect would be listening to what I have to say and not discounting it because I don't fit into your idea of a person of status. Standing is just lip service.

tabula, so they get off the corridor quickly.

When the teacher has to walk to the opposite end of the school because there aren't enough classrooms and some idiot has put your bottom set GCSE class at the top of the school whilst you had last lesson at the bottom.

happybunny you stand for elders when they enter the room even now you're an adult? How do you tell who is older than you and why would you not stand for someone younger? Do you not realise how daft that sounds?

Standing for your elders? I can just imagine the HT and SMT at our school standing everytime as a mark of respect whenever the cleaners/TAs/dinner ladies/caretaker came into the room.