Stand up for your elders as a mark of respect

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David Cameron has said that children should (stand) and it reminded me of a custom in middle east where children will stand when their father walks into the room as a mark of affection and respect. As the children reach adulthood they will start standing for both mum and dad. (I think it happens in the chinese and japanese culture too, but am not sure)

Is this such a bad thing to adopt here too?

In classrooms certainly. Can't see it catching on elsewhere...

I agree Cogito, at school fair enough. But to stand when your parents walk into the room? The man is so out of touch it's unbelievable...........

I think it's vital for our PM to have an idea of how society really works. The more I hear 'ideas' I hear, the less confidence I have in his abilities. Sorry, Dave!

Fine at school but DC don't need to stand up for parents. He'll be suggesting we all dress for dinner next.

Why? Outdated and unnecessary.

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I really don't see the point of this suggestion.

That's from the days when a father only shook hands with his sons, as to do anything else was unmanly. I don't think we want to go back to that emotionally repressed stuff inside the family.

i left school 10 years ago and we all stood when a teacher entered the room. most of the teachers didn't acknowledge it at all or signal for us to sit again. tbh we resented having to stand as a sign of respect for someone who couldn't muster a nod of the head. it didn't teach me to respect them and it certainly wasn't out of respect that i did it so IMO and IME it is pointless.

my parents would not want me to stand in their prescence, nor would i want my dcs to stand in mine.

We used to do it in school, and tbh I think it's good as an easy way of getting all the attention immediately on the teacher (so not necessarily as a sign of 'respect') Apart from that, no I don't think so. I don't think people automatically deserve respect because they're old (or your parents!) I'll stand to greet people because it's polite in certain more formal circumstances, but not for any other reason.

We used to have to stand at one high school I went to. It was just disruptive to our learning, tbh, especially if several teachers came in during a lesson. Our maths classroom was so crowded when people stood, their chairs shoved back into the desk behind, squishing that person, who moved back.....a bit like human dominoes.

I never thought of it as a sign of respect, merely something we did. And I have very little respect, with hindsight for most of those teachers.

I would only stand up if I was going to shake somebodys hand.

I'm sure my father had some male friends who would stand when a women entered the room.

That would just be considered sexist these day.

tbh this dave bloke really fucks me off. what the jeff is he doing spending time deciding that children should stand when adults enter the room?? if his lovely plans go ahead WRT FSMs (i know they haven't released their threshold) those same children will be too under nourished to find the strength to stand in teh first place. but i suppose that will just be another stick to beat the poor with "too feckless to teach their children some respect"

pull your head outta your hole dave and address some of the real issues going on in this country never mind telling kids too stand for adults you fucking idiot

Good old Dave! However much we're paying him it's not enough! Wanker.

Another clueless idea thought up by Dave the Knob to distract us all from the rubbish time his government is having because they're so useless...

Respect is not about hollow gestures, it comes from within. A teacher who has the respect of his pupils does not need them to stand up - he/she will be able to ask for quiet and will get it. A teacher who does not have the respect will get no benefit from having his pupils stand up, he/she will only see the pupils use this as a method of poking fun/being rude/playing up - stupid salutes, standing on one leg, making faces, deliberate loud chair scraping and toppling of tables all come to mind as tactics.

It would help if all teachers were allowed to remove disruptive pupils from class immediately and send them to 'sin bin' classrooms where they would be away from their peers doing useful and boring work. A school in Suffolk did this once, using office-style cubicles, and got a lot of flak over the pupils' 'human rights' - I think that should be ignored and these classrooms used. A calming down room could also be useful for children whose issues stemmed from ASD or other SEN - but let's face it, a punitive (but educationally useful) tool is needed for some (and yes, that would include mine if they pulled some of the stuff I hear about!).

I suspect what this is really about is the reintroduction of cap-doffing and forelock-tugging on the part of the working classes - think the shop floor of Grace Brothers: "Good morning, Captain Peacock." - wouldn't Dave and his gang just love that, putting the lower orders firmly back in their place?

I bet they did it at Dave's school. And I expect that was the reason discipline was so good at his selective, incredibly expensive school.

If only bog standard comps got the kids to stand up for teachers, that would solve all their behaviour issues.

I went to a state school where standing for teachers was the norm (just the teacher taking the class, not anyone who popped in, though at all times for the head).

Marks of respect for teachers (or opponents) are common in eg martial arts, and I've found that those have been really good for self-discipline - the act (standing, bowing, saluting) in itself seems to help with focus.

Obviously unlikely to be a panacea in all schools. But totally harmless and possibly beneficial.

you have just spent 10 minutes setting up the lesson.
the head walks in
best senario - the class stands up
the lesson is disrupted, the teacher starts again.

or in the worst case senario
several pupils don't stand up major disruption occurs loads of lesson time is wasted, pupils end up getting removed (which mayt be what they want)
pupils are now hyped up and the lesson is wasted.

standing in in lessons in a bloody stupid idea.

IME, the sit up/sit down for an entering Head (pretty damned rare anyhow) isn't disruptive; it's a reflex and takes mere seconds - probably less then if the teacher has a coughing fit.

My classroom is a shortcut to another area of school and teachers walk through quite often. Teachers pop in because they need to talk to individual kids about pastoral or behaviour issues. They try to do it creating as little disturbance to the class as possible. If the kids had to stand, it would be a bloody nightmare.

Well in my school experience, that wouldn't have happened (as I said above) so I don't know what to make of that. Sounds a bit silly, really. Why did you /would you set the parameters like that?

But then again, I don't like the sound of letting an in-use classroom act as a pedestrian route to other parts of the school, so expectations may be unbridgeable apart anyhow.

Standing up whenever a random adult enters the classroom will continuously disrupt the learning environment. Bad idea.

Why does it need to be for any random adult?

It certainly wasn't the way we did it (OK, that was way back then), and it was common in state schools.

So kids would stand up for a teacher but not for any other adult? If they didn't already think that LSAs and support staff are less deserving of their respect than teachers then that would really drill it home, wouldn't it?

When I say that teachers come through my class quite often, btw, I don't mean loads every lesson, just maybe once a day or so. Teachers are usually teaching when I'm teaching! This is fine as they do not disrupt my lesson and besides, I haven't got anything to hide.