Stand up for your elders as a mark of respect

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David Cameron has said that children should (stand) and it reminded me of a custom in middle east where children will stand when their father walks into the room as a mark of affection and respect. As the children reach adulthood they will start standing for both mum and dad. (I think it happens in the chinese and japanese culture too, but am not sure)

Is this such a bad thing to adopt here too?

I'd be a bit at a teacher who found it daunting to talk to a class of students who are sitting down.

I saw this on the news last week at the report was talking about children standing up when a parent entered a room at home. Nothing was mentioned about school.

I prefer my children to give me a hug or a kiss as a greeting. Not every time I enter a room obviously. In the morning DS (14) has already got up, made his bed, washed, dressed, brought his dirty clothes down, made his lunch, unloaded the dishwasher and will be sitting eating his breakfast (that he made himself) when I walk into the kitchen.

I don't expect him to stop and stand up. I get a 'Good Morning Mum' and I ruffle his hair as I walk past. The biggest sign of respect is that he has done his chores and put the kettle on for me to have a cup of tea.

The pupils dont stand up at his school either. A few years ago one of the parents questioned the headmaster on this. He said that he found that it was disruptive for the pupils and the best way they could show him respect was by following the school rules and fulfilling their potential.

The OP mentioned Japan - at school here all students will stand up when the teacher comes in, and bow to him or her before the lesson starts, and then do the same thing at the end of the lesson. It is very formulaic and I am betting that a lot of students wouldn't do it naturally, per se.

It is just part of the culture and I suppose it makes the students focus on the lesson.

blimey has he not got enought to do without annoying the education system again. why can governments not just let schools decide how to educate their children the best way for their own school?

I fear my class would have had a field day with standing up for teachers, TAs, workmen, lab techs or suddenly forgetting to stand up or forgetting to sit down.

We were terrible wind up merchants at the best of times and I'm sure we'd have enjoyed this

Creating more hierarchy isn't going to help. Kids behave in those ways because society teaches them that the important thing in life is to win over others, to be successful, to be better than anyone else. When they don't have the option of working their way up - and it might not be impossible, but it IS harder for disadvantaged youths - they try to get there in the easiest and most logical way available to them - aggression and intimidation which puts others below them and, therefore, them on top.

There are wider social factors for everything. You can't solve a problem with a two-minute solution, it doesn't work like that.

DC just gets more removed from the real world.

EdithWeston
"It would need backing from all responsible for conduct in the school. I don't see why it needs to go wider"

the first people that are responsible for conduct in the school (and I know that its a wacky way out view) are the parents, if they are not on board then you can forget it. This week I have had letters from parents giving excuses as to why their children will not be attending detentions.

Ofsted would need to be on board or you would get "insufficient progress is made in lessons", "too many pupils are facing sanctions"
and various other bits that interfere with the "learning journey"

The school governors would have to be on board as they ratify the schools policies and have the final in house say as to sanctions.

for the LEA see governors.

CAMHS and external agencies would have to be on board otherwise the pupils that get away with not standing due to their "issues" would filter down from pupils and parents as being unfairand they would start to not follow the rules.

If kids are bullying and intimidating teachers, then demanding that they stand up when a teacher enters the room is going to do fuck all to sort it.

If, however, a whole raft of measures are introduced which include consistent sanctions and, as previously mentioned, a strong and visible SLT, then it's really irrelevant as to whether the kids are expected to stand when a teacher enters the room, behaviour will improve regardless.

Kids stand up in our school if someone enters the room. Bog standard comp in deprived area, but it's a tradition that's been there for years. I like it - and the kids like the excuse to get up quite drmatically.

Wouldn't work in my house as we've only got one room downstairs (open plan)!

Who, by the way, should be blamed for manners falling in recent years? When are parents going to be held accountable for the appalling behaviour of their offspring?

We did at my school.
When I joined a previous emergency services job we had to stand everytime a senior rank walked in, I don't see the problem in it.

I think it's a good idea to 'enforce' at schools.

Exactly NG.

You've just reminded me we used to stand up when the teacher entered at the start of the lesson quite sensible since it got everyone focussed I had been wondering what we did, every school my kids go to does this silly clapping for some inexplicable reason I find it really annoying

Clapping, maraca, tambor...it is a way of attracting the attention of every child in the class at any time, a clear signal. They respond with the rest of the pattern.
Which considering how noisy most primary classes seem to be, is necessary.

Uh I'd worked that out for myself fallen

Just really annoys me that's all, although in the schools I've seen they don't complete the pattern they repeat it

Sure we didn't do it at primary

Repeating a pattern means that you are concentrating on the teacher and prepared for the next instruction, There's a lot of things happening in schools that didn't happen when I was a pupil.

'Uh I'd worked that out for myself fallen'

Well, so many things seem blindingly obvious to me that other seem to find mystifying. For example, the endless threads on levels and if it's good or bad. We've had those levels a long long long time, they are on the net and many parents still seem to get confused.

Why doe it annoy you, would you rather the teacher raised her voice and ordered everyone to listen?

I don't really know tbh I havnt given it a lot of thought maybe I find it twee and infantile

I don't have a problem with them raising their voice

Constantly having to shout over students to get their attention is not good for your vocal cords.

Perhaps you would rather the teacher used a whistle?

We used to stand when an adult came into the room at our school. It was just a normal comprehensive.

At the same time it had excellent results, and the behaviour was generally really good. Teachers could teach. I can see the connection.

Problem is, things have been allowed to go so far the other way that it will be very difficult to reinstate. Once respect has gone, then you can't get it back. It's too late.