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Amanda Knox

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LadyBeagleEyes · 23/09/2011 17:16

Her appeal is being heard at the moment, and there is a good chance she'll be freed.
So who did kill Meredith?
If she and her ex boyfriend are deemed innocent, I hope the Italian police will continue to look into the case and get some justice for her.
I don't understand why they say the DNA is flawed, or have Knox's parents just managed to hire some very smart lawyers?
It's such a sad case.

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BupcakesandCunting · 04/10/2011 19:37

So do I, begonya. Imagine the frustration if you knew your daughter was imprisoned, in a foreign land, for something you were convinced that she didn't do. And I am SICK of hearing "well, Meredith's family will never get Meredith back. Amanda was always going to be released from jail at SOME point so they deserve no sympathy." It's disingenuous. You can feel empathy for the Kercher family whilst at the same time be frustrated at a miscarriage of justice. It's not either or.

electra · 04/10/2011 19:43

Why would the phones being off imply guilt? I often turn my phone off at night...

BupcakesandCunting · 04/10/2011 19:48

This is from the PerugiaShock blog:

"?I never accused Amanda. On a statement anyone can write what they want. We had something like 30 cops around that night.?
?We were alone in that police station.?
?The only thing we wanted was to get out of there.?He went to the core of the case, he described the event as the key of everything: two kids lost in the night, in the forest , with no light, no law, in the hands of the pack.
Then the night of the crime:?I was in an idyll. I was about to graduate, I had just met Amanda, it was our first weekend together. Suddenly we both got free for the night. ?The turn of events was very favorable, indeed: not only Raffaele, a few days earlier, had met the girl of his dreams. But The Writer of his story kept making everything easy for him, removing all difficulties, even the minimum obstacles that would separate him from full and immediate happiness.He was lucky he could have enjoyed the company of Amanda from next day, since that evening they were both busy.
But The Writer wanted to make him more lucky, wanted to make him the luckiest man on heart. And inserted two characters in the story: Jovana Popovic, who freed him for the night.
And Patrick Lumumba who freed Amanda.The happiness was there, unexpected, immediate, and real. Raffaele, along with Amanda, just needed to switch his cellphones off to live it. He would never have imagined that The Writer of his life was making him the most cruel of all possible jokes..."

Interesting and more likely than them switching off their 'phones for the reasons the prosecution speculated on.

HedleyLamarr · 04/10/2011 19:51

*begonyabampot Tue 04-Oct-11 19:30:45

If i thought my daughter was innocent and wrongly imprisoned for 20 odd years i'd be shouting it from the rooftops, doesn't mean i don't feel for the Kerchers but my daughter is alive and needs my help now. I think people are out of order for criticising the Knox family.*

So would I.

YummyHoney · 04/10/2011 20:00

There is a HUGE amount of circumstancial evidence that points to Amanda Knox - not least her own confession, (false memory (my arse!).

And let's not forget that she quite happily tried to frame an innocent man, who could have gone to prison for ever.

She is evil personified IMHO

DuelingFanjo · 04/10/2011 20:02

the prosecution said that because the phones were turned off at the same time this could mean that they were both together in a planned way to carry out the 'sex game' - ridiculous. That they planned it so made themselves uncontactable.

Feenie · 04/10/2011 20:04

Like what, YummyHoney?

abendbrot · 04/10/2011 20:05

The BBC have been incredibly one-sided. I think they used their man on the ground to follow the story the whole time and he has an extremely one sided view which is that justice for Meredith = conviction of Knox. I am very disappointed with the Beeb for their bias.

And as for the Kerchers being led up the garden path by these opinionated fools, they must be furious. They have been victims twice over. I hope they can get to see beyond all this. Hopefully Guede will one day admit that he was the only one there, which I think is the most likely conclusion.

Portofino · 04/10/2011 20:06

Oh the "confession" again. Hmm This is NOT reliable and was not admissable in court! If you were on the jury you would be instructed to strike this from your memory!

abendbrot · 04/10/2011 20:07

Yummhoney, we'll just have to wait and see how many psychopathic murders she commits when she gets home. Seattle will be littered with dead bodies - she's that evil. (!)

Talk about bloodlust.

DuelingFanjo · 04/10/2011 20:12

what circumstantial evidence yummyhoney?

winefairy · 04/10/2011 20:15

I must see things differently. The very fact that AK acted inappropriately in the aftermath would suggest to me she was innocent. The snogging, the turning cartwheels....if she were guilty she would have been very, very conscious of her actions. From what I believe she wasn't close to Meredith and I don't think you could call them friends which would explain her apparent lack of empathy. And quite possibly she was enjoying the drama.

DuelingFanjo · 04/10/2011 20:17

by the way, turns out she didn't travel home on a private jet then?

Portofino · 04/10/2011 20:24

They hadn't known each other very long. In her last statement yesterday she also mentioned that she could have well been home that night, and murdered also. She slept in the room next door. This might colour how she felt/behaved in the immediate aftermath.

abendbrot · 04/10/2011 20:26

winefairy I think there was a combination of fear and shock going on that explains her behaviour. She was also smart, and knew that in front of the media, she would be damned whatever expression was on her face.

BupcakesandCunting · 04/10/2011 20:31

"I must see things differently. The very fact that AK acted inappropriately in the aftermath would suggest to me she was innocent. The snogging, the turning cartwheels....if she were guilty she would have been very, very conscious of her actions. From what I believe she wasn't close to Meredith and I don't think you could call them friends which would explain her apparent lack of empathy. And quite possibly she was enjoying the drama."

I said the same in the Chat thread yesterday; bit of drama to attach herself to/lack of empathy for an acquaintance/snogging was more of a consoling peck than a lusty clinch...

No way would you be so extrovert if you were guilty.

nodrog · 04/10/2011 20:57

Why have the Knox family not offered their condolences and support to the Kercher family, either in the past or in their statement after Knox's win.
They have been insensitive to say the least, actually I feel they have been down right disrespectful.
Oh wait, they are waiting for the big pay off from Oprah (or whom ever) to throw a crumb of comfort and human decency to The Kercher Family.

winefairy · 04/10/2011 20:58

Bupcakes- Wish I'd seen that thread but glad I'm not alone in my thinking.

abendbrot- I totally appreciate your point about fear and shock.

Porto- hadn't thought about that aspect. The fact she thought it could have been her.

noblegiraffe · 04/10/2011 21:10

not least her own confession

www.economist.com/node/21525840

"SINCE 1992 the Innocence Project, an American legal charity, has used DNA evidence to help exonerate 271 people who were wrongly convicted of crimes, sometimes after they had served dozens of years in prison. But a mystery has emerged from the case reports. Despite being innocent, around a quarter of these people had confessed or pleaded guilty to the offences of which they were accused.

It seems hard to imagine that anyone of sound mind would take the blame for something he did not do. But several researchers have found it surprisingly easy to make people fess up to invented misdemeanours. Admittedly these confessions are taking place in a laboratory rather than an interrogation room, so the stakes might not appear that high to the confessor. On the other hand, the pressures that can be brought to bear in a police station are much stronger than those in a lab. The upshot is that it seems worryingly simple to extract a false confession from someone?which he might find hard subsequently to retract."

The article goes on to describe the experiment and potential explanation for the prevalence of false confessions.

LittlePumpkinHead · 04/10/2011 21:12

The Guardian article above gives a good insight into the way the judicial system works in Italy.

Let's face it, we have all been manipulated by the press and by the fact that so many salacious and untrue details were leaked early on in the case. The very fact that it was abroad allowed us to read all of that shite, whereas it just wouldn't have been allowed over here.

I do find it dismaying that so many people seem to vehemently despise AK and still bring up many details that have been discredited or that were not admissible in court.

And the Knox family have offered their condolences and expressed regret over Meredith Kerchers death. But imprisoning the wrong people isn't exactly going to console them. I should imagine they feel really fucking let down by the Italian police force and court procedure at the moment. That is not the fault of the two individuals falsely accused.

DuelingFanjo · 04/10/2011 21:18

at 12 minutes 30 approximately on interview on this morning the Knox family clearly say expressed sympathy through their lawyers and that at the begining they were not able to speak to the Kercher family, that they have expressed their condolances many times and that they thought it was respectful of the Kercher's privacy to not contact them until Amanda was found innocent. CLEARLY they say this.

People want the Kerchers and the Knox family to be at loggerheads but the reality is that both families have been very respectful of eachother.

Sylvana · 04/10/2011 21:23

Very well put LittlePumpkinHead - I agree with every point you made.

Portofino · 04/10/2011 21:26

There is SO much misleading media in the case. People have formed opinions based on stuff that just isn't based in fact. It is very like the McCanns and Jo Yeates landlord. A few dodgy looking photos and some supposition and you become guilty as sin. Facts don't enter into it. And once printed, it never goes away - there is always that little seed of doubt there. The Daily Mail fiasco last night - was linked, will try to find again if anyone wants it - just demonstrates overwhelmingly that you just CANNOT believe what is written in the newspapers.

Portofino · 04/10/2011 21:27

And that is pretty tragic when you think of it.

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