What's happening with the Dale Farm eviction?

[Teachermumof3]

Does anyone who live locally know what's going on? Have many of the travellers left? Will there be a horrible fight at 9am tomorrow?

Clearly our opinions differ massively and it seems the discussion has been exhausted as we're going over the same points. Whilst i respect everybody elses opinions I am entitled to mine aswell and that is that they should stay. If not then give them the £6million to leave, surely that makes more sense than spending £18million that would be better spent elsewhere.

If not then give them the £6million to leave, surely that makes more sense than spending £18million that would be better spent elsewhere.

You don't think that would encourage the travellers to deliberately do all this again somewhere else!? That's blackmail.

You've got to consider the long-term implications of such choices.

Fortunately the law isn't a matter of opinion.

And no we can't give them money to stop them breaking the law. I think we have a policy of not negotiating with terrorists or blackmailers.

So you think we should reward people for knowingly breaking the law? I've heard it all now. Where exactly do you think that will end?

Thankyou Niceguy2 for saying everthing that I agree with in such a reasonable way. Emma, you cannot buy land and build on it without planning permission. They were told to leave many years ago and chose to fight. If the council lets this go there WILL be major repercussions regarding planning for extentions, building on brown and green belt etc. It cannot be allowed to happen for that reason.

Sounds reasonable to me, niceguy.

I have the misfortune to live in the village with this site. What irritates me more than anything are those who DON'T have to live alongside the illegal tenants yet are wringing their hands and saying "poor travellers". Believe me when I tell you that a few months living alongside them would change your mind.

The legal part of the site is no problem and the people there live in harmony with the local community.

The illegal part is occupied by those who don't want to live in harmony, just throw paint and excrement at passing cars - or failing that they just spit

Is there really such a split between those residing legally & those residing illegally? I mean, why would the legal/nice lot tolerate the illegal/horrible lot? I thought in theory they were all part of the same extended family?

Nice.

Well if its the case that one law should apply to all id like to bring your attention to the below.....Maybe we should consider the police going in there with tasers and baton rounds too.....when clearly they built without the correct planning permission!

Independent retailers, consumers and lobby groups have bombarded the cross-party committee of MPs conducting the inquiry into the retail landscape in 2015 with additional evidence about instances when Tesco has breached its planning consent.

Tesco sparked the outcry by telling an oral hearing last month that the time it overstepped its planning permission in Stockport - by building its store 20 per cent bigger than the planning consent had decreed - was a "one-off".

Lucy Neville-Rolfe, Tesco's corporate and legal affairs director, told the hearing that the group had been "overzealous" in its plans to build the store, which is in a regeneration area.

She admitted, "we probably did not do the right thing", adding: "The people who were fitting out the store decided that they needed more space, mainly for back room operation, and so therefore built the store bigger than the original planning permission. I do not know quite why, but they did."

Stockport Council initially turned a blind eye to the new store - a 120,000 sq ft Tesco Extra which opened for business more than a year ago - but after a heated local campaign Tesco was eventually forced into resubmitting its application earlier this week.

A spokesman for Tesco defended the group's stance. "As far as we know it is a one-off.

i think you are verry clever but grow up and get a life the lot of you

Apologies for the above comment (although I dont completely disagree with it to be honest)....seems a certain 10 year old I know took it upon themselves to comment on this thread.

Emma, I think Tesco is an interesting comparison - Tesco did breach planning laws on it's Stockport store. And, like the Dale Farm Travellers , also met with considerable local and national outcry over it. Have you never heard of Tescopoly? People are outraged over the way Tesco behaves re. local planning issues.

In a BBC interview Tesco admitted it 'hoped it would not lead to the closure of the store' - so Tesco knew that closure was a potential outcome of a breach of planning law.

However, there are a few differences between Tesco and Dale Farm - for a start, whether you love or hate Tesco, they were offering Stockport 500 new jobs. Tesco also generally buy and regenerate brownfield sites, whereas Dale Farm is greenfield. Big difference in planning permission. Also, Dale Farm was residential, Tesco was business development - again a big difference. Councils generally look at residential planning applications differently to business applications which offer regeneration to the local area.

Just say the council did bulldoze the Stockport Tesco for breach of planning, I bet there would be a few people cheering the bulldozers on - relishing Tesco getting a massive slap on the wrist - although maybe not the 500 workers losing their jobs.

"Kouklamoo" your missing emmas point which was ONE LAW for all which is what you have all been shouting about over the last few days. So let's clear this up are you saying that because there are no jobs on the Dale farm site it should bulldozed or are yousayong it's ecause there travellers.

No, I'm sorry Dale, residential and business planning applications are treated differently - as are brownfield and greenfield. Has always been the case.

Dalefarmdolly you have done so much for the travellers with your carefully reasoned post that I think they should employ you as their spokesperson.

What a marvellous contribution! When you said How about we come into your home n taser your family....how does that sound ! it really painted a picture of a small friendly community just doing its best to get on with everyone.

"onagar" I you would have bothered to read the whole thread you see this was a suggestion made by "niceguy2" I don't see why all of a sudden this is a bad thing now it's said about non traveling people ???

Dale,communitynurse doesn't have to try and ostracise the Travellers community,they seem to do a marvelous job of that all by themselves.

How exactly?

And Kouklamoo im afraid your STILL missing the point, in that, as said by numerous people on here, it should be one rule for all concerning all laws, not just planning laws and Tesco's were clearly in breach so should that not be the case for them? Whether there was an outcry or not the fact still remains that Stockport council chose to turn a blind eye to it before hand, I wonder whether that'd been the case if it had been travellers on that land breaching planning laws. After all, they built without permission and that building still remains. Jobs or not the whole issue here is that people such as yourself are kicking and screaming about the breach of planning laws, not what people on this land have to offer etc...the one rule for everyone thing so surely you think this rule should apply for EVERYONE?

Actually Emma, it is not like that, for the reasons I have already stated. There are different planning rules/criteria for residential and business development - whether you like it or not.

In actual fact, I know a case locally where the rules worked in favour of the Travelling community. Someone had a piece of land - and they applied to build a working stables on it. They were denied permission - so they sold the land, and it was purchased by a travelling family. They applied to build a residence there - and after lots of fuss - the residential plans were approved.

You can rant on this thread all you like about how you think it should be - but we are discussing how it is .

I wonder if you'd be so sympathetic to Dale Farm if it was a different minority group?

Hi Dalefarmdolly. Great, since you know more than me then please correct me where I have been ill informed. I never mind people correcting me if I am mistaken.

And just because you are a community does not give you the right to ignore the law. Do you have planning permission? Yes or no.

And my point about the baton rounds & tasers was trying to draw attention to the fact you are expecting everyone to abide by the law whilst choosing not to abide by the laws you don't want to.

Sorry life doesn't work like that.

And as for Tesco, personally I think that if the council wants to enforce their decision against Tesco then that's just equally as valid. I don't see why they should be given any special treatment either. I bet if the council did enforce then Tesco would not drag it out for ten years, nor once given a court order would they choose to cement themselves into barrels & threaten violence to others.