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Enfield riots?

916 replies

Empusa · 07/08/2011 18:21

Just seen on Twitter and in a few articles like this, that there are meant to be plans for a riot in Enfield tonight and riot police are in the town centre?

Used to live there, and got family there (luckily a fair distance from the centre), but fucking hell! What the hell is going on?

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bumpsoon · 09/08/2011 08:26

the clear up will be carried out by anyone caught in the act of rioting/looting , at 6am the following morning , boiler suits will be supplied , anyone caught who is under 18 will need to supervised by one of their parents/ guardians .

bumpsoon · 09/08/2011 08:28

Of course nobody will complain ,because they will be acting for the good of their community wont they ?

bumpsoon · 09/08/2011 08:31

And honestly you do get accustomed to the smell quite quickly , or at least i do when they do the field next to my house , its very , whats the word , organic Wink

freybean · 09/08/2011 08:32

i'm also failing to see and serious polotical unrest

i'm not buying this 'there is nothing for thr youth to do' bullshit either

i grew up in one of the worst area's in the midlands, where most sunday nights we used to have a riot. we started off a youth club in a church hall

Smellslikecatpee · 09/08/2011 08:32

serious political unrest

Bullshit!

IF this was about the current political situation the people who are truly been affected would be out protesting.

The protesters would be the families of children with SN, the elderly, the ill.

Not thugs who have never had to take responsibility for their actions, which are actively planning what shops to hit so that they can have a new TV; phone; trainers etc.

freybean · 09/08/2011 08:34

bumpspoon in that case i'm all for it, can't comment about the smell i'm a city girl Smile

OhYouBadBadKitten · 09/08/2011 08:34

It isnt political unrest, it is break down in parts of our society.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 09/08/2011 08:36

:( deb.

mumzy · 09/08/2011 08:36

We seem to have bought up a generation where a significant strata appears to knows all about their rights but have zero respect for others including figures of authority such as teachers, police. We seriously need to ask our selves what has gone wrong in our schools and society in the last 15 years as the children rioting now are the those who grew up during New Labour's administration.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 09/08/2011 08:39

mumzy, lets not bring politics into it, as a society we are responsible for our own morals. Too easy to blame 'those above' .

PlentyOfPubgardens · 09/08/2011 08:40

Woolwich Sad

ajandjjmum · 09/08/2011 08:40

It's a breakdown in parenting. Kids with no knowledge of right and wrong. I love the slurry idea bumpsoon.

bumpsoon · 09/08/2011 08:41

I think to do it right though ,the farmers need to taskforced into an approriate specialist squad, im thinking slurry high impact team or S.H.I.T for short Grin

theroseofwait · 09/08/2011 08:47

Sorry, kitten, it's got everything to do with politics - Blair's way of maintaining power was to emphasise what people could expect from the government, not what opportunities existed for people to achieve things for themselves.

We have a generation now who think they can do what they want when they want, I think it's time for the troops. . . . .

marriedinwhite · 09/08/2011 08:48

Mandatory custodial sentences for all those involved in looting. Use the army not to quell the riots but to set up a mandatory system of reform for all those who are too young to be sent to adult prisons and which should form the framework for a system of reform and instillation of self discipline when all this is over.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 09/08/2011 09:00

I can see what you are saying theroseofwait, but I think that part of this must stem from the parents upbringing too, else their parents would give a shit and would not be letting their children out (I know some children are very very hard to keep in but that doesnt happen overnight) so I think the roots of this go beyond just this generation.

bumpsoon · 09/08/2011 09:05

We could give all the police ,soco suits to wear over their riot gear , get some tractor driver to rev up the engine on their John Deer 6930 premium , which in itself is a pretty terrifying sight and sound and then let rip with the slurry , visors down boys and girls !

Lisatheonewhoeatsdrytoast · 09/08/2011 09:09

It's disgusting and i do not agree that this is just political, some of them are kids FFS, it's mindless thuggery at it's best, looting stores, and beating people up for money, phones etc like poor Debrs4 son.
Rioting, fires etc, breaking into people's homes, that's not fucking political is it?

bumpsoon · 09/08/2011 09:10

Then whilst they are clearing up with their errant offspring the following morning the parents/guardians could be given a parenting pep talk .

Lisatheonewhoeatsdrytoast · 09/08/2011 09:11

And the pic link that was posted was disgusting, telling them what to do to disguise themselves etc, THUGS!!

annieversaire · 09/08/2011 09:13

It's nothing to do with the government.

These children have no respect for anyone because of a continuum of disrespect. For probably several generations their families have brought up children abusively.
When a child does not get what it needs, it grows up to believe the world will never provide, and the only way to success or happiness is to take without asking.

Situation not helped clearly by overcrowding, poverty, (cause and effect), putting people together in a series of disgusting estates which enable their own abusive culture to flourish.

There was bound to be a tipping point but then again it's nothing new.

TandB · 09/08/2011 09:14

This isn't political and it has nothing to do with the police shooting. I was in Brixton yesterday trying to get access to my office and there were people gathered all over the place talking about it - people saying they knew some of the people involved. I spoke to a couple of solicitors yesterday who had regular clients who had been arrested. The people smashing up small businesses and burning the homes of low income families are people who have probably never had a political thought cross their minds. They see an opportunity for mob violence and getting one over on the police, and they see an opportunity for profit.

People were turning up in vans to loot electrical stores in Brixton. PC World in Tottenham was emptied and people were selling laptops for a tenner to other rioters in the middle of the carnage. I saw news footage today with a teenager pointing at Debenhams in Clapham and shouting "lets get some watches".

I don't think most of us realised just how far things had slid in terms of social conscience and general values - now we do. Dressing it up with fancy political motives and using it as a chance for a pop at an unpopular government (whichever government you choose to blame) is just masking a real, deep problem in society. It is also a luxury which the people living in the middle of all this carnage simply don't have. People on the streets of Brixton weren't standing around saying "well of course I blame the Libdem policy on xyz issue", I can assure you!

annieversaire · 09/08/2011 09:14

The most important single thing we can do is be nice to our children.

That's all it takes. Self respect and being good and respectful of our children.

THAT is why I say something if I see a child being verbally or physically abused in the street. Because it's the root cause of the problem.

TandB · 09/08/2011 09:21

I also meant to say it is thoroughly pissing me off that people are talking loftily about complicated political motivation when the police are still trying to work out if anyone in any of the poor areas of Croydon is lying burned to death in their run-down flat above a struggling corner shop.

It's not fucking political and it is breathtakingly insulting to those standing on street corners watching their homes and livelihoods burn to trot out facile arguments and refuse to look at what is actually going on.

chubsasaurus · 09/08/2011 09:22

I really do not think any of those violent, looting thugs last night would have been playing tennis at a local youth club was it not for coalition 'cuts'.

This is not politically motivated. It is mindless violence and theft. I would be shocked if many (or any) of those involved either had a job or voted at the last election.

The riot clean ups this morning are what the Big Society is about. I am proud to be a Londoner today.