Tottenham rioting

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has anyone heard? seems to be all over Twitter but not on other media
apparently police cars burning

sight TD. Unless you meant the place where it was burning was a mess.

no SM you're right.

Tarty, how do you know from looking at a picture what sort of man he is or isn't? This is the sort of stereotyping that causes these problems.

For those concerned about the horses, the BBC seems to be reporting that they are being deployed on an outer cordon to prevent crowds reaching the scene (some 300+ were to break through to join the riot).

I said "seem", because no reports are officially confirmed, and I should imagine there will be a fair amount of confusion/contradiction in the jet of the moment.

I also had a quick dekko at the BBC account of Thursday's shooting. Again, no official confirmation, but given BBC's general reputation for accuracy on stories it lets stand on it's website, it's worth noting it related eye-witness accounts of 4 shots, and one police officer hospitalised as well as the fatality (shot twice) at the scene; and further eye witness accounts of police warnings before they (the police) fired.

Even if you do not put huge reliance on these eye witnesses (but why would they be lying?), there isn't really much there that would justify riots. The Broadwater connexion is unsettling, but at least nothing seems to have come from the rumour sweeping Twitter an hour or so ago that no-one could confirm the bs was empty when set alight.

I honestly know lots of law abiding people who look and pose like that.

I'm not defending this particular man as I know nothing about the case I just don't like the stereotyping that comes across in your posts

I've done a lot of volutuntary work in Tottenham and it's not surprising there aren't more riots on a regular basis. Most people in Tottenham work, they work bloody hard and they get cr*p pay. Many kids in Tottenham hardly see their parents because their parents have to work all the hours god sends to survive the cost of living in London.

They usually live in overcrowded accommodation. Their community is extremely transient. There is a hard core of people who have been there for decades but there are a lot of migrants, foreign and british, people that come and go, so the communities within Tottenham are very divided and fractured. A couple of miles down the road you are in Muswell Hill. The schools there are so good that people say 'well I would have put them in private schools but there's no need'. The two communities NEVER meet. It makes me sick that Britain is so divided between the haves and the have nots.

Areas like Tottenham (there are others) are crying out for help and support. Instead, the 'Inner' London areas get more funding per capita and Tottenham is left behind as Outer London. After tarting up all the London parks they are only just beginning to renovate Lordship Lane rec, which has been a dump for years. Finsbury Park and Bruce Castle park have also only recently been done up. Open spaces are lifesavers in areas like these. Haringey Council have been massively slow to support the East of the borough. The Bernie Grant Arts centre was a classic Haringey Fail - heaps of money poured into a building, but outcomes just aren't there. I have met people who live in one room with a baby - literally. It's their kitchen, their bedroom and their living room. That's what they call public housing, Tottenham style. They live there not for a few weeks, but for years.

No wonder there's riots when hard working people are treated like this.

In fact I know 3 yr olds who look and pose like that, it means nothing to some people.

(I'm not agreeing with 3 yo making gun fingers I'm just saying it doesn't equal criminal)

Wow

oh Tarty seriously?

I am off to bed, hope people keep safe there

Just now on BBC there was a family with a baby in a pushchair on the streets.

Tarty I love a bit of bling, do I deserve to be shot?

I agree if you shoot a policeman you are asking to be shot. However you made a judgement from a picture that he looked a bad sort.

thanks sings. I have no idea about London but what you say chimes with other inner city places around the country.

TD - gawd help us! night.

It really is awful and unfortunately I think the situation is going to get worse before it gets better.

I dont mean tonight, but in the long term.

Really hope all of our emergency services personnel get home safely and that those who have a point to make, realise that this isnt the way to do it if they want to be taken seriously.

Just

but it helps that he was black, doesn't it?

in Manchester there is a real problem with white, gun-carrying gangs but we rarely hear of them in the media.

Yes and you used the photo to 'prove' that he was a bad sort.
If he was a white man wearing a suit and looking 'legitimate' you wouldn't have posted the photo with your comments

'if it writes like a xenophobe, and posts like a xenophobe, then it is probably a ..'

TartyDorisSun 07-Aug-11 00:41:00
I don't see many law-abiding people wearing "bling" jewellry and making finger guns when posing for photos.

I am sorry wearing bling just means I am likely to be a criminal, not I deserve to be shot.

Tarty doris is an example of what this country would be like without multiculturalism.

Horrible to post a picture of someone as if their appearance justifies their death.

Horrible thought thornykate, thank GOD for multiculturalism