Tottenham rioting

[sfxmum]

has anyone heard? seems to be all over Twitter but not on other media
apparently police cars burning

really good discussion on radio london if anyone can be arsed

I can't get Radio London!

Can I get it online?

yes Bullet, once you are on the gravy train, you make damned sure you and your family don't fall off!

Amicissima, i agree with everything you say. The people travelling here from Eastern Europe probably come from countries that don't have a great welfare system and much lower wages so sitting around at home is not a good option for them. A part of the problem with people not getting jobs is that they don't know how to do anything. Last year the Evening Standard ran a campaign to help the poor in London called 'The Dispossessed'. Most of the cases they presented as worthy of sympathy were people who do not have the basic knowledge/skills to find work. One case was of a student who needed less than £50 to sign up for a course at college. He lived just off Upper Street Islington where there must be 50 restaurants. It did not occur to him to ask for work as a waiter, washer up or anything. He had no idea how to find work. That is one of the reasons why immigrants have jobs and locals do not.

Oh, I was wondering how long it would be before 'benefit scrounging' was bandied about! This is like Daily Mail bingo.

\link{http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_london\does this work} was really good earlier worth a listen

I know this will not matter to a section on this thread, but might be interesting to others www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close

no excuse but interesting

Youth clubs have been closing in their droves since the eighties though. It became to risky to run them, what with risk assessments, health and safety, ploice checks on all voluntary workers, the risk they might be accused of abuse etc...

too risky

Yes it does work SEA, thanks

It isn't just youth clubs, though, is it? It's the youth service in most boroughs in London (and I'm sure it is going on elsewhere). I don't live in Tottenham, but in my borough we have lost our entire youth careers service, all but one youth centre (not little youth clubs, but big, resourced community centres that ran courses and positive activities for 13-19 yr olds evenings, weekends and holidays). 80% of youth workers have been made redundant. Youth unemployment is higher than it was during the very worst periods of the 1980s. And this is at a time when EMA has been cut, universities are about to hike up their fees and many colleges have cut their entry level courses. My borough is one of the more privileged boroughs, too, and the cuts have already rocked it to its core.

I hate to say it, but I am not surprised at the riots and I think we will see more to come.

I am not saying this excuses violence and looting, but there is a much bigger picture here and I am surprised more MN-ers havent been discussing this...

I dont notice anything in the way of Youth Services round here either. People who live anywhere in London fail to see how much more they have at their disposal than rural people.

Yet, no riots here.

That is, frankly, a dim witted thing to say@Al0uiseG.

Yet so true.

"And what about if it is true that he had a loaded gun, and especially if he aimed or fired it? Should the family and the protestors eat humble pie too?"

No I don't think so actually because the whole reason this all started is the fact that a man is DEAD and answers were not given to a community that has a history of dealing with police brutality.

The posters I am talking about are those who have been talking as if the DEAD man definitely attempted to shoot the policeman using the bullet in the radio as a basis for their comments.

Am reading reports that the bullet lodged in the police radio was police issue

Access to free education, benefits, housing and healthcare in the centre of one of the greatest cities in the world with museums, art galleries, libraries, cheap public transport.

Jeez,I'd riot.

Amongst Women why is AlouiseG being dim? What makes London youth worse off? There really is nothing for the youth in the countryside. As for the parents..in the countryside no one can hear you scream...

Yes, it is true. But it is dim. It is the sort of thing a child might say. Or someone visiting Earth from Outer Space, possibly.

But it is true though.

Yes because there is so much access to adequate housing in areas like Tottenham

Cheap transport? Do you live here? I spend about £50 a week to travel on public transport which is overcrowded and run down.

Rural riots dont happen much, do they? Ever wondered why? Is it because country dwellers are all much nicer people?

Until you live out in the sticks, you don't know how good the transport in London actually is. It really is crap here, and I live in a large town (it's the sticks to me though having lived in London where everything is readily avaliable 24/7).

But they WERE given answers LDN. They were told all they could be told, given that the case was under investigation by the IPCC. they were not prepared to wait for the investigation to be carried out before demanding justice and jumping to conclusions. That is an excuse.