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So is anyone going to continue buying NOTW?

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needanewname · 05/07/2011 20:58

Not that I ever really got it (holidays maybe for a bot of a laugh) but no more.

I wasn;t bothered too much by the celebs (though can see why they were obviously!) but to do that, its beyond disgusting.

But wiltl anything actually happen, or will they just repeat the usual lessons will be learnt shit

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AwesomePan · 07/07/2011 23:23

everyone states it was clever to close it down. Nothing clever in seeing that.

The reasons re threat to democracy are:

  1. threats made to HoC cmte re subpeanering Becky re payments made to coppers
  2. coppers accepting money
  3. PMs and politicians ( guardians of democracy) courting RM through fear.
  4. Politicians desire to waive through a demand from RM to gain the vastly upperhand in media control in this country.

Appreciate this is all short-hand, and there are more reasons if I or anyone else thinks about it and has time to type them.

Ponders · 07/07/2011 23:25

but as the entire staff of the NotW loathe RB with a passion I imagine they have already got a lot of incriminating stuff out of there & will be getting more as fast as they can

crazycatlady · 07/07/2011 23:26

They may think it's a clever move to close down NoTW, but News International's actions today are classic old school corporate crisis comms. What this strategy doesn't do is account for the power of social media. Corporate crises are far harder to regain control of a twitter/facebook/MN era where great movements of people can come together and take action.

For example, one man sitting alone on his sofa may think cancelling his Sky subscription is pointless, but if he can see via twitter that thousands of others are doing the same then the movement gains momentum.

This isn't just about phones being hacked now. This is about the British establishment being rotten to the core. This isn't over by any means and is very interesting indeed.

crazycatlady · 07/07/2011 23:30

We also now live in a post-financial crisis world where in recent living memory large global organisations have been brought to their knees. The corporate world has shown it is not untouchable.

It's therefore not unthinkable, in people's minds, that the Murdoch empire could fall and I suspect this current societal mood could spur people on to keep prodding at this issue and taking action until the whole thing implodes.

MarySueFTW · 07/07/2011 23:46

Idea for mumsnet Campaign - Boycott of any companies that advertise in a 'Sunday Sun.'

crazycatlady · 07/07/2011 23:50

Boycott any companies that advertise in The Times, Sunday Times, The Sun, Sky... that'll be quite a few then!

Nancy66 · 08/07/2011 00:03

Why? What would be the point?

MarySueFTW · 08/07/2011 00:04

I'd do it. I bet it's none of the local shops where I buy most of my stuff! But I can't compile a list because I don't buy them... Seriously, the advertisers pulling out, led by Ford & Renault, was what killed them (aside from the cynical attempt to say 'problems dealt with!). News International could probably afford to give the paper away free, they make all their money from advertisers. Thus if Murdoch gets away with just having a Sunday Sun, which is all the NOTW was anyway, it will be pointless. The same companies need to keep up the boycott... they can always advertise in non-Murdoch papers instead.

madamimadam · 08/07/2011 00:22

Xenia:

Thing is, I haven't heard one person today say 'Oh good. That's settled it then.' Unless they are in No.10 and married to SamCam. Everyone sees it as a cynical move. Reuters have reported that Mark Stephens thinks it means they can destroy NOTW records and just pay everyone off. I think it would be a remarkably inept move if it's the case - nothing would reek more of disposing of incriminating evidence.

And the more pressure is placed on RB, the worse Cameron looks by association - it's already bad enough that his ex-Director of Comms is about to have his collar felt and Rusbridger et al are saying they warned DavCam about him. I think the merger will go through (Rupes didn't do his utmost to get him in for nothing) but it will be more costly than NI would have liked.

And now you've turned into Ernst Blofeld. Marvellous!

Karmalady · 08/07/2011 06:07

The Guardian reports that Andy Coulson (and another high ranking journo) are to be arrested today.

It's not Cameron's week is it?....... as Coulson was at the heart of government, and probably knows where 'many bodies are buried'. Shock Wink

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/07/andy-coulson-arrest-phone-hacking

Xenia · 08/07/2011 07:09

But I'm right. This stuff is out there and the practices are undertaken because most of Britain wants to read this rubbish. You cannot away from the fact that these things were done because of the interests in people's sex lives by most women (and men) in this country or are we going to hear that 99% of mumsnetters only read the economist, FT or religious tracts?

Laugs · 08/07/2011 07:34

I doubt many MNers read the NOTW. But, er, there is a life outside Mumsnet you know?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/07/2011 07:35

Xenia, you're right to say that newspapers bend rules to meet the insatiable public demand for scandal. But when the rule-bending extends to breaking the law it's no longer an excuse. However, there has been quite a degree of moral relativism, even over the law-breaking. When we thought that it was just Sienna Miller and John Prescott having their phones hacked, there was a collective shoulder-shrug on MN. Old threads such as this one where Ryan Gigg's love-life was deemed 'fair game' for public curiosity contained lines like 'hacking Sienna Miller's phone is hardly Watergate'...

LilBB · 08/07/2011 07:50

I think people see celebs as fair game. They choose to court the media and I don't think people have much sympathy when the media then set them up, expose their super injunctions or listen to their voicemail messages. However deleting messages from the phone of a girl who at that point was quite probably dead, giving her family false hope and messing with a police case trying to find her is despicable. I'm pretty certain the Dowlers, McCanns, war widows, Holly and Jessicas family and 7/7 victims family would rather have not been in the NOTW. They didn't release a film or sleep with a lapdancer they are the victims of terrible crimes. What information where they hoping to get? Selling papers is obviously the goal but when is at any cost ok?

Xenia · 08/07/2011 08:01

You can never underestimate the ability to whip up a public storm. However criminal offences whoever is the victim should be investigated now by the police which is what is happening.

A lot of fault is also on the part of the Met of course too. Police officers apparenty ... receiving large sums etc. This is not just newspapers at fault. Then separately is the fact the police did not investigate a lot earlier etc.

It will certainly be interesting to watch it develop. I remain of the view that closing the NOW was a clever move.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/07/2011 09:50

LiBB... I don't think people did have much sympathy but, on reflection, I think we should have been far less tolerant. It is now very clear that the same tactics used to get celebrity gossip were/are used to get the dirt on ordinary people in the news as well. We can't say on the one hand, we don't care what illegal means they use to get the dirt on a footballer but then object when exactly the same methods are employed on others. That's where the rot that has killed the NOTW set in.... editor gives the go-ahead for a celebrity's phone to be hacked so the journo interprets that as 'phone hacking is acceptable' and applies it more widely.

The involvement of the police is potentially very serious indeed. Both for those who have now been shown to be paying them (Andy Coulson is going to find that out) and for those taking the bungs.

mottledcat · 08/07/2011 09:50

What about David Cameron? He hasn't been awfully clever over all this, has he?? Not clever enough to realise unlike everyone else that Andy Coulson might just have been fibbing to him??

Terribletriplets · 08/07/2011 10:03

It was not just Cameron who was matey with Brooks. Here he is giving her a very friendly hug, which the minders are trying to prevent being filmed.

Terribletriplets · 08/07/2011 10:04

That should have read
here is TONY BLAIR giving her a very friendly hug

Xenia · 08/07/2011 10:11

Mrs Brooks has done nothing wrong.
Those who hacked, tapped and those policemen who accepted money have.
Those readers who choose to read this rubbish bear some responsibility too.

Ponders · 08/07/2011 10:12

'Cameron said no-one gave him "specific information" about Coulson. This is a reference to the comments of the Telegraph's Peter Oborne and Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger who said Cameron was warned about Coulson's links to phone hacking.'

\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/08/news-of-the-world-phone-hacking-scandal(from the Guardian)}

Interesting...I hope they have some evidence

Ponders · 08/07/2011 10:13

'Mrs Brooks has done nothing wrong'

Pal of yours, Xenia?

tethersend · 08/07/2011 10:15

Why are the NOTW journalists complaining about being sacked and/or arrested? According to them the dole is much better than working and prison is a cushy holiday camp.

Laugs · 08/07/2011 10:20

Xenia, it is ludicrous to suggest the readers are more at fault than the (then) editor!

MarySueFTW · 08/07/2011 10:22

lol tethersend...