vegan parents to be prosecuted

[HecateTheCrone]

vegans in dock over baby's death

A tragic story. Clearly these parents did not intend any harm to their baby. They must be devastated. However, does this mean that parental choices that have the potential to cause harm to the baby will see them jailed if something does happen to the baby? Smoking, drinking, etc, as well as diet. Is this a good thing? bad thing?

but that has very little to do with pesticides, sieglinde, and an awful lot to do with washing and peeling veg. Pesticides (apart from fungicides) don't act against micro-organisms. It's not generally considered to be a good idea to eat unwashed root veg either - reasonable chance of picking up some dodgy bacterial infection that way. Even washing root veg will get rid of most colonised bacteria and tiny roots - the nitrobacter that colonise nodules in plant roots and convert the nitrogen in the soil for use by the plant may or may not produce B12 but I would think if they did someone would have picked this up by now! I can't find anything that suggests they are a useful source of vitamin B12 in a quick google scholar search - if you know of any research that shows this, please link it because it would be useful.

GotArt, sorry I don't know anything about what happens or supposed to happen when the doctor has concerns.

As said, this is all impossible to prove; I was simply pointing to a frequently asserted thesis. (I also find it hard to believe that Roundup would have no impact on microorganisms in the soil, though it might be so.)

I think I first read this in the work of Mrs Morgan Spurlock, a vegan activist - believe the book is The Great American Detox Diet - and somebody said the same on this thread, showing the idea is widespread. But your notion of washing is equally plausible, and as a non-vegan myself I take the underlying point that vegans do tend or trend to Rousseauan myths of an Edenic, pesticide-free past; the idea of eating unwashed roots is significantly less attractive. However, it presumably is the case that the old adage about eating a peck of earth before you die would have once applied even to not-root veggies - grain, for example, would have had an admixture of soil once.

OK, I think I have picked up the issue here. One of the main bacterial sources of vitamin B12 for vegans is in fact their own gut bacteria (in less sanitary times). Of course, one type of fertiliser is animal excrement, which will no doubt contain vitamin B12-producing gut bacteria as well, which will then transfer, transiently, to the veg growing in the animal excrement. But this still relies on non-washing of said veg, which heavily increases the risk of stomach upset/infection.

So I would think it is the use of non-organic fertilisers instead of animal excrement that has reduced the potential vitamin B12 loading of root veg.

Can't see that a herbicide would adversely affect bacteria in the soil but you never know.

sorry, meant to say use of non-organic fertilisers rather than pesticides

"are completely aware of the mistake they made" so I would guess that they will just have to live with their guilt and stupidity.

I know a couple who have raised two very active healthy vegan children, I know plenty of vegetarians and home eds none of whom neglect their children. I don't think the diet, home ed or BF is at fault.

Maybe the reason they would not take the child to hospital is because they were anti drug testing. Whilst it's reasonable for an adult to stick to their beliefs and refuse medicines tested on animals or made with animal derivatives it is selfish and damn right stupid to put your belief above your responsibility to your child.

What will happen to their other DD if they both go down for 30y?

With a bit of luck she will be looked after by people who aren't loons.

I think it has its this sandal wearing not feeding my kids anything but grass militant wing I thing when your child is older then let them decide but when children are small they need a balanced diet.

Their was no medical reason to feed the baby in such a odd way and the fact baby wasn't being feed right probably exasperated the issue of it being ill good god the first thing any nurse or doctor will try and get an I'll person to do is make sure their well nourished and nuts and berries just don't cut it"

When your big and strong and they want to then feed your teenage child what ever vegan grass seed diet you want but they recommend certain foods and milk for babies not for fun but because over years and years its worked.

Once saw a pice on a family who only ate raw food yes including meat the son good a bad bit of chicken and well you can guess the rest.

They didn't "feed the baby in an odd way"

They ebf'd he for longer than most people in a western culture do.

The baby died because they treated bronchitis with cabbage leaves.

the baby was sick because it wasn't getting the right nutrients

it was getting the right nutrients because it was exclusively breastfed by a vegan who had not adjusted their diet sufficiently to ensure that she was healthy enough

neglect

The 'vegan' was a red herring-it was pure neglect. (if you can put vegan and herring in the same sentence!)

The baby was sick because it caught an infection. It may or may not have had anything to do with her mother's diet. It died because that infection remained untreated.

But bearing in mind that starving women in times of famine manage to feed babies I really question whether or not the mother's diet could have had such a significant impact.

And can post moetems really show vitamin deficiencies?

Most children get sick sooner or later. It's not because we're all feeding them crap diets. But I strongly suspect that even the most omnivore diet wouldn't help a baby with bronchitis who was treated with clay and cabbage leaves.