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She deserves Prison

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shalaa · 26/10/2005 21:12

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Can't believe this woman just sat there rolled a fag as this man murdered her baby right in front of her. Don't care how 'scared' she said she was you would do something if this happened. Would rather it happened to me then anything happen to my little boy. She deserves to go to jail.

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MrsSpoon · 26/10/2005 21:14

Throw away the key.

Pixiefish · 26/10/2005 21:19

here here

Hulababy · 26/10/2005 21:23

Agree.

I would rather it was me that suffered than my child. Isn't that part of the motherly instinct - to try and protect whatever.

spookylucy · 26/10/2005 21:23

My sil allowed her son to be tortured and pulled the frightened card. Domestic violence card and pc card helped her get her son back, it was all a load of bo**cks. Her son had been subjected to extreme torture and she was caught handing him out of the window to the abuser, after having hidden him in a cupboard. I have no sympathy for these women

Caligula · 26/10/2005 21:31

"During the trial, the jury was told that Bone had a personality disorder which prevented her from intervening to stop the attack.

Ms Scott said that because of her "intellectual functions" and her physical condition, Bone was "significantly impaired" in her ability to stop her partner hitting the child."

That's good enough for me. Yes it's very difficult to understand why someone who isn't the full shilling, isn't the full shilling, but it's very easy to condemn on the basis of absolutely no knowledge about the trial or her mental condition.

Throwing away the key adds absolutely nothing to our understanding of how women get to a state where they don't protect their children against lunatics, and why lunatics get to the state where they are killing little children. The more understanding we have of how these things happen, the more power we have to prevent them, and the fewer children will be killed in this horrible way. If you want to protect children, locking someone up has got a pretty piss poor record.

spookylucy · 26/10/2005 21:39

I cant comment on this particular case as I have no knowledge of it. But in my sil's case she new exactly which cards to play. She had allowed her son to be subjected to mental and physical torture for nearly 9 months. She had many chances of help and ways to get out and chose not to take them. She had no personality disorder and is an intelligent woman. The sw said it was one of the worst abuse cases that she had ever seen and one more beating and my dn would have been dead. Where is my nephew now back with his mother and basically bringing himself up. Yes I do believe we need to have more understanding and lookin up and throwing away the key doesnt work but having been closely involved in this case, I also noticed that there was alot of pc crap involved which really didnt act in the best interests of the child or get to the real root of the problem.

Caligula · 26/10/2005 21:43

SL - I totally agree with you that there is an awful lot of ideological baggage which simply ignores the bleedin' obvious when it's happening before their eyes. I don't understand how a child who has been beaten so badly that he almost died could be returned to the care of the person who almost killed him. But each case is individual and I think it's wrong to make judgements based on very little knowledge. There's no doubt that the woman involved in this case was a highly incompetent parent. But whether prison is the right place for her is quite another matter. I guess it depends on your view of what prison should acheive and under what circumstances people should be sent there.

Heathcliffscathy · 26/10/2005 21:47

think this is a nasty thread. dont' believe that a person that had the capacity to be a good mother would let this happen, and if they didn't have that capacity (through whatever mental or emotional impairment) then they don't deserve stoning.

QueenVictoria · 26/10/2005 21:51

i knew i shouldve stayed away from this thread when i saw the title.

Cant make a reasoned response over the death of a baby at the hands of someone else, ever.

spookylucy · 26/10/2005 21:52

Caligula, I agree, prison isnt the answer and im not 100% sure what is. What worries me is there is so little folow up after some of these cases. My sil knows the system and plays it well, it doesnt matter what list my dn is on he isnt really being closely monitored. Yes the school is still the same but they didnt cotton on last time, I can only hope that they are now more vigilant as I am now not allowed any contact with this child, mothers perogative I suppose. The family has been shattered by this and to me it seems ss have handed this child back to a woman who is only going to make the same mistakes. Obviously I am bitter and biased but I feel ss really let dn and the whole extended family down. If im really honest they let his god awful mother down too.

Caligula · 26/10/2005 21:58

QV - it's precisely because it's very difficult to have a reasoned response to something as cruel and incomprehensible as this, that we need people who will emply their reason as well as their emotion (because I think both have a place in justice).

Without reason, we'd just all lynch each other all the time. Which is one way of running a society, but not one I'd argue for.

QueenVictoria · 26/10/2005 22:04

Absolutely Caligula. Ive had a flighty temper since i was born and I just get sooooo angry at this and so upset that someone can hurt a baby my anger ends up becoming misdirected and i would probably post something that is ridiculous in our kind of society.

Im doing quite well so far though.

This story is so sad

suedonim · 26/10/2005 22:05

The repulsive murder of Carla-Nicole happened in this region. IIRC, there's a lot more to it than we're seeing here, wrt the mother, in that she'd had an awful life herself. Brutality begets brutality, tragically.

Caligula · 26/10/2005 22:08

I think it must be quite horrible to work in this sort of area and see this kind of abuse all the time and get used to it. I wonder why this is why some SW's seem either immune to it and therefore return seriously abused children to their carers as in the case SpookyLucy is talking about, or why they are automatically suspicious of families and think everyone is abusing their children all the time. Either way, it must affect people adversely to come across this sort of thing in the course of their work time and time again.

expatinscotland · 26/10/2005 22:16

Andrea Bone has two other children who have been permanently removed from her and adopted out.

Everytime I see that smiling photo of Carla-Nicole I want to cry and be sick at the same time. She's cheesin' away. She looks like my daughter.

My daughter didn't walk till she was 22 months old.

I can't imagine hurting her for that or any other reason! I can't even watch her get a vaccination w/o tearing up.

MamaG · 26/10/2005 22:18

I'm a legal secretary and do a lot of work on cases where children have been taken into care, for various reasons. Mostly we act for the children, but sometimes for the parents - thats hard, I don't like speaking to them and have to put on a "blank" face.

I've been working on care cases for about a year and I don't think I'll ever get used to it. I regularly sit at my desk, typing reports and statements, almost in tears. My boss (a woman) is hardened to it but she doesnt have any children herself. I wonder if she would be so hardened if she did?

Strangely, I actually enjoy the work, when we act on behalf of the children. I know my firm have made a difference in fighting for what is best for the children. That is what keeps me going into work.

MamaG · 26/10/2005 22:19

IMO you cannot be mentally stable and let anyone hurt your child. Surely any decent mother (or father) would rather die herself than have her child hurt.

saadia · 26/10/2005 22:49

Like others have said, I don't want to judge without knowing the full facts but it is incomprehensible that a mother could watch and not try to stop this happening - perhaps she was in shock - and her defence team should have said what the disorder was which prevented her from taking action.

Blu · 26/10/2005 22:59

SookyLucy - very very sorry to hear what happened in your family - and worse that the real situation was not dealt with.

But ew have no reason to think that this case if a blueprint of another. We haven't seen the size of the man. We do know that it is at the point of leaving violent men that women and children are at highest risk of being murdered, and there must have been evidence to back up the statement that "because of her "intellectual functions" and her physical condition, Bone was "significantly impaired" in her ability to stop her partner hitting the child."

If justice is to be done, someone has to take a rational view over the death of a child. And one that doesn't create more victims than there should be just to satisfy our own sense of outrage.

Outrageous the death of a child is, inadequate as a parent she may well have been, but that doesn't make her guilty of murder if by that stage she was indeed practically helpless.

Blu · 26/10/2005 23:00

Saadia - it is highly likely that her defence team were far mor detailed and specific than is reported in this brief article.

expatinscotland · 26/10/2005 23:04

Ms Bone has had to be isolated from the other prisoners in the all-female correctional facility due to death threats and violence against her. She's even had to be moved to other facilities more than once, b/c after the other women find out why she is there, they assault her.

WellieMum · 27/10/2005 00:52

Don't know anything about this particular case but I think the reason I find these stories so disturbing is that they highlight a fact which is deeply unpalatable to my pinko liberal leftie soul: ie that (whispers) there are people out there who really shouldn't have children.

By which I mean that, however blamelessly, and however much they may themselves be victims, they just don't have whatever it takes to keep a child safe (let alone happy, healthy, loved).

Logically, it shouldn't be a surprise - there are some very disturbed people around, and inevitably some will be parents.

But what can you do? In a decent society, very little... and that's as it should be.... but ultimately it's the children who pay the price.

tiredemma · 27/10/2005 08:06

bastards, both of them. If i was that terrified of my partner and he did that to one of my kids he'd have a hammer over the back of his head.

hope she spends the rest of her life looking over her shoulder.

MrsSpoon · 27/10/2005 15:13

I agree that prison isn't the ultimate answer in a case like this and sincerely hope that she gets the psychological help she needs but at least whilst in prison she won't be bringing any more children into the world.

expatinscotland · 27/10/2005 15:15

She's only 23. I predict she'll have several more that get abused, killed by her boyfriends, or put into care/permanently removed.

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