Explicit Sex Ed material for 5 years olds!!!

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sex ed for 5 years olds

I think this is extremely wrong on so many levels. Would you seriously like your 5 yr olds to be told about sex like this???

I said to dd last week:
"DD, you know that nobody is allowed to touch you in your private places don't you?"
She said of course she knows.

I said what would she do if another adult or child did? She said she'd say no, don't do it. And then tell me.

But that's not strictly true is it?? Hence them needing to know "when it is OK for someone to touch them" -

OFGS - obviously I discussed the times when they were - ie: washing a toddler/doctor/midwife when you have a baby.

yes - and that's what those at the younger of the Primary school curriculum will learn - so what exactly is the issue???????

Sex education at an ever earlier age leads to more under-age sex.

Delete 'sex education' and insert 'driving lessons' and see how people on here feel about it...

where is the evidence for that major??

How do you mean major?

'Driving lessons' at an ever earlier age leads to more 'under-age driving' ???

Gramercy,

Before you go on about the social conservatism of the Netherlands being at the root of disapproval of teenage pregnancy, I should probably set you straigh (as I am Dutch).

That isn't the reason.

There are two things at work in the Netherlands which keep their teenage pregnancy rates low:

1. Openness. Sex isn't thought of as something dirty and shameful, it's considered natural and pleasurable. It's discussed openly within families and among friends as well and no-one is embarrassed. When taught in schools, the focus is as much on the social/emotional aspect of it as on the physical mechanics, but it's all about openness. For instance, I remember being told the differences between the male and female orgasm being discussed at school (I was 13) and how men should remember that women don't often climax through penetration, and that being selfish in this way didn't make for good relationship potential. I also remember discussing this with my parents at home (since they were married and had children and so had, presumarbly, had sex - I hadn't at that point and I wanted answers. I got them). It's all about equipping a young person to manage physical and emotional relationships and there's a lot of work done on self-esteem, commitment and the difficulties of peer pressure, i.e. learning that it's OK to say no. None of that last is in any way based on the premise that sex is bad or sinful, just that it is valuable.

2. A teenager who gets pregnant isn't thought of as sinful, wicked or anything else, but is frowned on for having been careless and having thrown away their future - their education, job potential and so on. Nothing to do with morals, pure cold-hearted pragmatism. You get pregnant as a teenager, you're a loser - this comes from peer groups far more than it does from parents.

Lastly (shoot me for being long-winded but this topic matters to me): There was a survey conducted Europe-wide some years back - one of the questions asked of teenagers was what their reasons would be for having sex with their partner. In the Netherlands, 80% and more answered 'because they loved that person and wanted a long-term relationship with them'. Among UK teenagers this figure was 19% or so.

In the UK, we seem to live in a culture where sex is something you do when you're drunk on a Friday night, we don't talk about it, we just snigger and we all fall over in outrage when someone tries to do something about it. In the Netherlands... Well, I know which way I'd prefer.

Are you honestly comparing sex ed to driving lessons? Madness

sooooooooo working on the assumption that you can only start driving lessons once you're old enough to legally drive.......

We should only do sex education at 16yrs old.............

Baroque - not 16yrs old but that'd be better than 5!

My point (slightly glib, I concede) is that we would never dream (on the back of teenage deaths or injuries) of arguing for yet greater exposure to cars, fireworks, heavy machinery etc etc....

Yet when it comes to sex, we seem to apply a completely different approach. The consequences of this are all around us.

but no-one is suggesting teaching a 5yr old how to have sex!!

Huh? I was taught all sorts of things abour cars and driving long before I was 17. Mainly through watching my Dad, so I'm going to leave that analogy alone now.

Love pointythings post. It's about time the people of Britain (as a group) grew the fuck up.

AyeRobot - yes, Pointything made some refreshing points...but I can't see much agreement with this statement on here -

"A teenager who gets pregnant...is frowned on for having been careless and having thrown away their future - their education, job potential and so on. Nothing to do with morals, pure cold-hearted pragmatism. You get pregnant as a teenager, you're a loser..."

Whilst this is absolutely true, too many people are overly-defensive about such carelessness and shut down debate about the wisdom of such "choices".

Of course, things aren't quite as simple as AyeRobot makes out - morality rears its ugly head when one starts to ponder the fairness of siring children when one is patently unable to provide for them, what such selfishness says about one's suitability as a parent, what it indicates about said children's life prospects etc etc.

To further muddy the waters is the fact that, at present, we actively encourage women to behave in such a selfish manner by paying them to have yet more children, preferably on their own.

Ooh, I get to say it again. That's twice tonight. What about the men? Why are you singling out the women?

So, major. What would you teach and at what age? And it what setting?

wow - they pay women to have children on their own!! Cool - still would love a 4th............where do I apply??????? I'm guessing if it's "on my own" it's artificial insemination

Look. Once more for the hard of thinking.

There is a thing called Sex and Relationship Education.

It is taught in Primary schools.

Primary schools are schools that children attend from around the age of 5 to around the age of 11.

Sex and Relationship Education covers topics ranging from Who is in my Family and Why Shouldn't I Tease People to What is Sexual Intercourse and How WIll My Body Change During Puberty. There are different topics for different ages.

Just because it's on the primary school curriculum doesn't mean that they are going to get the whole lot at 5. It's like saying that because simple algebra is on the Primary Maths curriculum, 5 year olds are going to have to deal with equations.

So, some of this material might well be inappropriate for 5 year olds. But that's OK, because they are not going to see it!

here you go seeker have a

Thank you! I needed that. Have one yourself

cheers

AyeRobot - I'm not "singling out the women" as such. I was quoting another poster who "singled out" teenagers that get pregnant. This would mean women, I would imagine?

I would teach the basics at 15 - leaving it to the parents to provide more and earlier. This is a parental responsibility.

The idea of my daughter learning about sex from anyone other than her parents (let alone an embarrassed and disinterested teacher - my experience) is just abhorrent.

the BASICS at 15??????????????????????

Do you have any children????? If so how old are they??

A daughter who is 9 months old. So, hopefully, this will not be an issue for a few years yet.

Although, the way some people on here are talking...!

My point is that it is parents that should have told their children all the details and more besides long before they are 15. I just don't like the idea of state-endorsed statutory rape (which is what early sex education amounts to, in my view).