Explicit Sex Ed material for 5 years olds!!!

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sex ed for 5 years olds

I think this is extremely wrong on so many levels. Would you seriously like your 5 yr olds to be told about sex like this???

ha - you beat me to it seeker with your response there

Has there really been a "high level of teenage pregnancy in recent years" though gramercy? [http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/Pregnancy_chart_2.jpg/615px-Pregnancy_chart_2.jpg this graph]] seems to indicate that it has stayed fairly steady since 1971.

Sorry to have annoyed you gramercy.

I do think that in this country (UK) that teenage parents are still frowned upon- they are blamed for many ills, accused of scrounging etc. I don't know any people who think being a teenaged parent is a good thing or a situation to be desired to be honest- that is not unique to The Netherlands.

But societal attitudes have proved to be no deterrant have they?

What works then? What prevents young people becoming teenaged parents?

yeah have you actually seen those pictures? talk about unreal expectations! so now we have to get it on whilst bopping on a space hopper. flippin'eck. back in my day there was nowt wrong with a bed

Sorry, bad link. this chart

My mum went to convent school in the 1950s. By the time she was 14, three of her classmates had become pregnant. She didn't have sex ed so I wonder how that could have happened...probably virgin births.

If no-one had sex outside marriage pre-sex education I wonder why all those babies were available for adoption years ago and very few are today.

Do me a favour, if you're going to cite stuff about the olden days being a golden era of childhood innocence then please back up your assertions with references.

indeed Tonderlayo - of course back in the "golden era" 'bastard' children didn't really exist........often pregnancies were hidden away and then the baby whisked off to live with a "responsible" adult, or the unmarried/young pregnant mother would have a back street abortion

That's a good chart Bramshott. I believe overall teenage birth-rate (as in up to 19 years) has halved since the 1960s and am trying to find a reference for it. Of course largely because people get married later - when I went to school (born in 70s) a lot of my classmates had mothers who were 18/19 and respectably married when they had them.

And legalisation of abortion of course.

Knowledge is power

I'm not passive/agressive - I just get annoyed when people bleat on about the DM.

Anyway, now I'm back from shopping, I've had a reply from DCs primary school saying they only teach SRE from a science point of view as the LEA teaches it in more detail at middle school (most in yrs 7/8).

Thanks for the link bramshott- very interesting, though it is only 13-16yo, and presumably all girls would be 9-19?

Baroque- if you go back further (middle ages) I understand that there was no stigma really around 'bastard' children- it was a normal part of life, and children were raised alongside all the others (hence Fitz... names being common).

"I just get annoyed when people bleat on about the DM."

Why? This thread alone has proved that it prints misleading rubbish.

far too young my ds2 will be 5 this year ,hes got sn so he wont have a clue ,they need to let kids be kids first .

And I would hate my children to be only taught "SRE from a science point of view" at any age. What's the point of that?

Oh, read the thread, ilovesprouts.

I thought the fact that the chart showed under-16s was quite good actually, as I think showing all teenage pregancies (i.e. 13-19) probably rather skews the figures because there will be many 18 and 19 year olds who are married or in stable relationships.

from a science point of view at primary (up to yr 4) is fine.

Surely for the relationship/moral stuff, families can educate until middle school age.

I agree with ilovesprouts why can't we let kids be kids until they are a bit older.

For instance, last night, me and ds were discussing how dd was born (EMCS) and he said that he was born through my bum! I said if course he wasn't and said how he was born and he said "oh yeah - I forgot). That was that. He went to ask how on earth he fitted through my 'twinkle'. I explained how the muscles and ligaments stretch to let the baby's head through and then everything shrinks back to normal when the baby's born. He was satisifed with my full and honest answer.

In their Mika CD it talks about Billy Brown being in love with another man. DD (then 8)said that was silly because men can't love another man. I said that actually they could and that sometimes women loved other women. She was happy with that.

I have a DK book recommended by a friend with older boys and it gives questions kids might ask and then the reply you could give for each age group. It's really good and uses appropriate language for each age.

However, there are certain bits that can quite easily be left out until yr 5/6 and beyond and I don't see the need for lower primary to have diagrams of people having sex (sex in differnt positions in the Lincolnshire video).

They grow up soon enough. I had the yr 5 periods talk and then science-type sex ed at secondary school. I didn't have a teenage pregnancy just because I didn't get taught sex ed at primary school.

I think teenage pregnancies are more to with society rather than the amount of sex ed kids get taught.

seeker i have thanks im giving my opinion

"letting them be kids" is why there were so many teenage pregnancies.

I'd be horrified if my 13yr DD was having sex but I'd be even more horrified if she wasn't taking precautions.

My 3yo's favourite book is that How Did I Begin book.

How is a child understanding reproduction not letting 'kids be kids'?

DD understands how her bowel works too. And why she hiccups. And what her kidneys do. It's not compromising her childhood. So why is understanding the basics of reproduction?

Well I also had the same as you vintage - plus "More!" magazine.........I didn't have sex until I was 19.

However, those lessons at school while accurate and scientific taughht me absolutely nothing about what was and wasn't acceptable within a healthy relationship, while my parents marriage wasn't totally dysfunctional looking back I can see that it contained (and stlll does to this day) contain elements of EA. My expectations for what made up a relationship in which both people in it were treated fairly and equally was skewed. I think the emotional part of relationships should be discussed in schools so that both girls and boys go into teenagehood knowing what is and isn't acceptable within a relationship.

I quite agree baroque that the emotional ed is extremely important and that teaching children about effective relationships and boundaries etc gives young people empowerment.

Not so sure that moving videos of animated characters having sex on a chair is necessary for 7 yr olds though

who says the videos are used for 7yr olds??????

And the thing its rather difficult to talk about the emotional education without them having some idea of the physical bits isn't it?

I mean if you look at the bit that seeker c&p further up. You can't teach them how to "keep safe and look after themselves" without talking about body bits really can you?