Explicit Sex Ed material for 5 years olds!!!

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sex ed for 5 years olds

I think this is extremely wrong on so many levels. Would you seriously like your 5 yr olds to be told about sex like this???

"How old were the people who agree with sex ed at age 5-7 had sex below the age of 16? (just out of interest?)"

No - I first had sex at 19, was pretty bad sex, and in FAR from ideal circumstances. Oh yes we used contraception, and I said yes (sort of ) - however my parents relationship wasn't exactly the shining beacon of how a healthy relationship should be (although I know it was a lot better than many others would have grown up in) and so didn't really have much idea what was "normal" and what wasn't.........

Mind there was a lot of ermm, what would probably be described as foreplay, before I was 16.........though I had no desire to have sex - I was just exploring.

as for the seeing your parents doing comment I made earlier. AFAIK none of my DS's have ever seen me having sex.......however they have seen me cuddling, and kissing.

and I'm @ this comment

"My daughter will be taught by her parents...before she has to put up with some embarrassed and reluctant teacher attempting to do the same"

So you think that SRE starts too early in schools............but you're going to teach her even earlier???????

gah sex schmex

you are WAY too late if you leave it to secondary
i htink you lot are just uptight and sheltered

why is it any different to learning about how a plant grows, or an event in history
its just A Thing

Wouldn't the more relevant question be: if you had sex before 16, at what age did you receive sex ed in school, and was it biological or did it include wider relationships?

Yes - I wonder how many parents who object to "SEX EDUCATION" in schools at primary realise than when their child is in nursery or reception and learning about their families and who makes up a family they're having................Sex Education...........

It's just wrong to either allow parents to shirk this responsibility or remove the need for them to fulfil it.

I was fully au fait with all the necessary information before i went to school (must have been around 4 or 5 I guess!

I haven't read all the replies, but just wanted to comment on those that mention that different material is used for different age groups.

This may be true, but you would need to check with your child's school as to how they are using it.

I know that material that is used in my son's school for year 6 pupils (channel 4 videos - incl animated cartoon sex) was used in a friend's child's school for year 2. Subjects they covered in year 6 included using sex toys.

"I was fully au fait with all the necessary information before i went to school (must have been around 4 or 5 I guess!"

Yet you're objecting to children older than that being taught about it in school?? And what you may consider "necessary information" may not include everything they will want/need to know. My parents thought they'd equipped me with the necessary information.........except they hadn't -

And I think 4 or 5 is FAR too young to know all the necessary information

I object to the school doing this in the place of parents, frankly. More an objection of of rubbish some parents can be, I guess.

I don't like the morals-free zone that is state sex education - treating children as though they are adults capable of making decisions regarding sex when, in the eyes of the law, they are just children.

Sex education without moral guidance (i.e. when is 'right' to have sex, when is not etc etc) is like teaching someone how a car works but not imparting anything about the rules of the road.

oh my parents didn't shirk their responsbility - my mum sat down with me around 8 or 9 and went through all the puberty stuff, and then at 11 or so sat down with me and went into more detail about sex and stuff. (plus of course I read "More!" magazine )

what she couldn't tell me - no matter how much she wanted to - was what constituted a healthy relationship, how Emotional and Verbal abuse in a loving relationship wasn't "normal" - because she didn't realise that was what was happening in her marriage (and so therefore what I was seeing)

Eh, so you knew the basic facts of life at 4 or 5 majordanjarvis, but would prefer your daughter not to know until 15???

And if it's 'just wrong to allow parents to shirk this responsibility', how do you plan to police that exactly?

Have you considered that the reason parents might not be good at sex ed is because no one taught them how to teach it? It's not a subject that parents are naturally all good at. By teaching the children of today in school, perhaps we can finally undo the generations of poor sex education in the UK and maybe those children will be able to teach their own children in the future.

Vintage - not wanting to seem pedantic, but can you see how your assertion that "5 year olds won't see this information except if they're 7 (and live in Lincolnshire)" could be read as implying that 5 year olds won't be seeing this information?

it's not about "rubbish" parents - it's about different experience and perspectives at home. I've just been browsing the website that seeker C&P from earlier in the thread. Some of the things they recommend covering just doesn't come in up in any sort of conversation with my DS's. (for example I don't know any transgender people - so it's not something that would jump the fore front of my mind when it came to talking about sexuality).

Even things such as puberty. Sex ed when I was at school was "boys and girls bodies change during puberty"............so the girls went off into the halls to learn about what happens to girls and what they could expect............the boys stayed in the classroom and learned what to expect as boys in puberty.

Obviously I know what sort of things to expect in boys - but I'll confess that I'm not really clued up on it

1. Because I'm a woman - and so I went through female puberty
2. Because the girls were never actually taught it - everything I know has been picked up from various sources along my life some reliable, some not.

Now - here's the thing - I'm a single parent with 3 boys (lucky me ).Yes I knew what a wet dream, and voice breaking is - but I had/have very little to draw on from my own education/experience to actually explain it to my DS's. Yes I can tell the DS's (already have actuall as DS1's voice dropped a few semitones last year ) that their voice will break and they'll have a deeper voice. I can't tell them what it's like to have that happen.

Yes - I can (and do) use resources (mostly online - I LOVE kidshealth.org for example) to help me explain it to them (or in DS1's case as he's a teeny bit embarassed about it all right now) let him read it on his own and then discuss after he's finished. But it's not quite the same as him being able to discuss it with others who have been/will be/are going through the same thing..........so that will happen at school naturally with his friends...

I would MUCH rather that discussion took place in a supervised lesson with a teacher to correct the myths and the made up bits and to add in relevant information where they've missed key bits than in the playground were all manner of bullshit will be spouted (DS2 - 7 - has come home with some corkers so far......)

ScroobiousPip - I wasn't clear. I think children should be taught about sex as early as possible by their parents. State sex ed should take place much later, as an insurance policy against those parents that have not fulfilled their responsibilities.

it's a bit late for children who are being abused within the family (most common place for abuse to take place) to learn that it's wrong, and what they can do about it in senior school don't you think?

also a bit late for children with parents that decide that they only need to know "certain" things before they turn 16.........

Baroque - yep, some parents are rubbish. These boards are replete with evidence of this. What would have? Cameras fitted and home inspections of every family in the land?

Less interference, more responsibility.

"I don't like the morals-free zone that is state sex education - treating children as though they are adults capable of making decisions regarding sex when, in the eyes of the law, they are just children."

I completely agree with major about the above.

Secondly, Bramshott I was quoting the bit about:

"5 year olds won't see this information"

The except if they're 7 bit was my comment about that.

My parents weren't rubbish though - my mum didn't know (still doesn't see it despite me having ended my marriage forthe same EA that she put up with for years) that hers was an unhealthy relationship - it was "normal" to her.

Unless you're saying that parents who are unknowingly in abusive/crap relationships are rubbish............