Explicit Sex Ed material for 5 years olds!!!

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sex ed for 5 years olds

I think this is extremely wrong on so many levels. Would you seriously like your 5 yr olds to be told about sex like this???

The mind boggles at some of the infant school teachers that I know tackling anal with 5 yr olds! I really can't see it happening-they know their pupils and they make it age appropriate.

Given that in Glasgow they will teach the words "penis", "nipple" and "vulva" to 5 year olds (along with "head", "leg" "arm" et: it is purely a descriptive exercise as in "these are parts of the body") - but not anus - they would have diffculity in teaching "anal sex"

BTW: the reason they teach the names of the parts of the body is a precursor to saying "some parts of the body are private".

SpaceAge, have you had any luck in finding the bit in the report that says they're actually going to be teaching primary school children about anal sex yet?

Or should be all just conclude that you were making it up mistaken?

Sensationalism as per usual.
Teachers are professionals. They do generally know what is age appropriate for their class.
A sex and relationship curriculum for primary school is not going to be all covered in Reception. It will be bit by bit each year, building on what they have previously learnt, and what is appropriate for their age.
You really can't teach menstruation without talking about reproduction. And it is important that girls know about menstruation at age 9 in case they start their periods early. That is just science in any case. Relationships doesn't come into it.
You can't just cover it all in one unit age ten or eleven. Education is about building on prior knowledge. It is better to learn gradually and in an age appropriate manner.
Whatever the media might say, primary children are not being taught how to have sex (of any variety, gay or straight) or how to indulge in the kinkier pleasures. They are being taught how their body works and will change. This is important knowledge. Secondary age children are being taught about making responsible choices and avoiding peer pressure. They are not being handed out the karma sutra of park bench/bus shelter positions.
I seriously cant see how any of this is a bad thing.
I taught year 10 PSHE a few years ago. The most effective lesson was not about having sex, or using contraception (they knew much of this already). It was researching how much a baby would cost if you left school for a minimum wage job. A real eye opener!
I find that the people who oppose sex and relationship education in schools are the same parents who are not addressing those issues themselves in the home. Not true in all cases I'm sure but I think it's often the case.

Baroque ---yes I'm quite happy for my YR4/5/6 child to know what anal sex, masturbation, oral sex and prostitution are.

• scary

AyeRobot ---You were thinking that in all seriousness? I was taking the piss.

• No, I was being facetious

Snorbs --- Please do tell me where, in that report, does it say that primary school children are actually going to be taught about anal sex?

• Well I dont have a copy of the information booklet but its in the glossary which usually means that its in the main text,does it not? Thats what a glossary is for, an explaination of the term. Why else would it appear there?

piprabbit --- I suspect that Yr6 will be masturbating well before they have the lesson on how to...

• Well if we enlighten them on the subject from the age of 5 no doubt they will

Baroque --- I've never tried the whole anal sex thing but it is a perfectly normal and healthy part of an adult sex life

• HA! What male chauvinist told you that?!! A perversion discovered by men for the pleasure of men only. C'mon ladies are you telling me you actually get satisfaction from being shafted up the jacksy? Its not normal and its not natural. Otherwise we'd have a clit at the back end as well wouldnt we. Your arsehole is for sh***g through. You only have to look to nature to find out whats normal. Do you ever see animals rear ending each other??? Natural my arse! Ha ha ha.(Sorry) And you're a teacher??! Even more scary.

Masterbation is NORMAL, it is not dirty, or rude, perfectly normal, and probably the first "sexual" thing a child of 10+

--- A child 10+, getting towards puberty exactly, NOT a 5/6/7 year old. Instructing them about it is the dream of a pedophile.

Sex and relationships are just as much a part of everyda normal life for adults as maths, literacy, science, music, history, geography

--- Yes, again, adults not primary children

"teaching a child about a part of life they will experience as adults,

--- I'd rather teach mine how to climb trees and create amazing things out of cardboard boxes.

PrettyBird - I fail to see how anyone unless you have the filthiest of minds or are bigotted can object to children learning the following age appropriate things......

--- We cant trust teachers judgement - obviously...
My childs very young teacher cant even spell never mind decide whats suitable and at what age.

Exoticfruits --- They are really not going to be teaching all that in Primary school-you are mad to think so!

--- I'm not refering to whats in the DM. I'm referring to whats in the info being handed out to primary schools, passed for use from the age of five. In accordance with what the trusty 'teacher' deems suitable....

TOO MUCH, TOO YOUNG - TOTALLY UNECESSARY -NEED TO KNOW BASIS ONLY ---FOR THEIR SAKE LET CHILDREN BE CHILDREN.

And on that note I bid you farewell ladies. Thank you for the enlightening if not worrying chatter.

P.S. I have a very normal, healthy, amazing, adventurous, spiritually uplifting sex life and I've never taken it up the sh**r, never wanted to, never been asked to and never will do.

yes I'm quite happy for my YR4/5/6 child to know what anal sex, masturbation, oral sex and prostitution are.

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Why scary? I want my children to know stuff. And I want them to have facts rather than playground rumours and misinformation.

And if you think that most children by year 6 haven't heard of these things - if in much cruder language - then you must live in some parallel Enid Blyton scripted universe.

I hope when my DS gets taught about masturbation he is taught how to spell it correctly.

same here seeker. I'd rather my children know that when I found them all doing whatever they were doing it has a name. I'd also like them to know before they get to the age they'll be doing it, what I didn't know - that mutual masturbation (aka as "fumbling around") is actually against the law.

As I said earlier, knowing what this are doesn't mean they're going to rush out and do it - I am pleased to report (as DS1 walks to and from school on his own - so therefore left to his own devices) that since he found out the gory facts of what hanging, drawing, and quartering was no-one has suffered the same fate as his hands

Your comments about anal sex made me laugh - how do you think that gay men have sex?

And as for our comments about anal sex - well 100's of species of animals have been documented to not only masturbate, but perform oral sex and be homosexual.

My DS1 is now 10, I used "YR4/5/6" as he was 9 (and had only just finished YR4) when he first showed signs at heading towards puberty (with his voice starting to go).

I think perhaps YOU ought to

a) understand that a resource pack recommended for "primary" school will contain material for the entire age range - like my maths example above no teacher is going to take out the alegbra before the child has learned the addition and subtractio in the previous years.

b) bearing that in mind and that looking at your hallowed extremely biased and bigoted report again - look at the ages which those books have been recommended for by the various councils.

Sex, masturbation, and relationships are part of a normal life.........

What is much more worrying is the portrayal in the media o only certain "types" of look/people being sexually attractive and the objectification of women.

Do people think that DCs don't talk about sex in the playground? I led a sheltered life as a DC, but we still talked about it. You can get some very funny ideas from the playground!
Now, with the internet, DCs can access material that is very damaging for them. So many people seem happy for their DC to have a laptop or a PC in the bedroom and I don't think that they all keep tabs on exactly what their DC is on-bearing in mind that a lot of 10yr old DCs are much cleverer with technology than their parents. Even if you have your PC protected, you can't know for sure what they get elsewhere.
I would have thought, in view of all that, having lessons from a responsible person was preferable.

I would have a problem with my 5 year old being taught about prostitution. Most prostitutes are the victims of abuse and are not there because they want to sell their bodies. The article is almost promoting paying for sex. I don't actually believe this is genuine sex education material anyway.

Really-yet again-your 5yr old is NOT going to be taught about prostitution

"Well I dont have a copy of the information booklet but its in the glossary which usually means that its in the main text,does it not?"

I think that given that report's bias and intent, if there were any substantial evidence that anal sex were to be taught to primary school age children they would have included it in very big print.

Thank you for confirming that when you were complaining about primary school children being taught about anal sex you were, in fact, lying.

No I don't suppose they are but for whom is that leaflet intended for? Is it supposed to be for teachers? or secondary school aged pupils? Younger children?

I would not have a problem with that leaflet being discussed in a class of 8/9 year olds with the exception of the piece about prostitution. All the other cartoons are factual and informative (although I think the cartoon of the baby in the cot is odd). Prostitution needs to be discussed in much more detail discussions centering around why girls sell their bodies, abuse etc etc. Sticking it on the end of the leaflet makes it sound like it is as acceptable as masterbation (sp?) or being homosexual.

Ds has known about sexual intercourse and same sex relationships since he was about 4 but we haven't discussed prostitution because at 8 I don't really think he is old enough to comprehend all of the issues surrounding girls and boys being exploited sexually.

which leaflet are you referring to thaigreencurry?

If you're referring to the first image on the Daily Mail link in the OP - then that is taken from several different parts of the resource pack.

Do none of you talk to your schools? Do you prefer to get it from the DM? (even when totally wrong!)

Spaceage: It's not about "trusting the teacher's judgment". I repeat again, I have seen the material/lesson plans for primary schools (and went to a lot of effort to write out the outline of what is covered all the way up to age 18). Can't comment about England but in Scotland at age 5, the only shocking thing it includes are the word "vulva" "penis" and "nipple" (shocking only becasue none of us have them ).

If prostitution were to come up - and it might do becasue a kid might taunt another kid by saying "your mum's a prostitute" (because kids do say nasty things in the playground often without understanding waht they mean only that they know it is nasty) then the teacher would have to address it.

If you bother to look at the outline I have provided, the whole emphasis is on the importance of positive relationships and respect for yourself and others. You've still not pointed out where in that outline you would have issues.

As I've mentioned before, at our school, the kids who peddled the most horrific sex related lies "facts" were those that were withdrawn from the (age appropriate) lessons and it was the poor head teacher who was left to deal with the fall out with other girls thinking that what they were told was true.

( Bolds went a bit wrong )

oh and - working on your "we'd have a clit at the back"..........well I know plenty of women who enjoy giving blowjobs...........

oh - and I never once said I was a teacher

Tut, tut Baroque: you don't expect reason and logic to be used or for the facts to get in the way of ingrained preconceived prejudices

Still waiting for someone to tell whem where and waht they would object to in the outline of waht is to be covered in the Glasgow schools (and I don't believe that England is that different). This is the detail of what is being done - not a sensationalised parody of what people fear is being taught becasue people with a vested interest are deliberately giving misleading impressons.

What is really sad about Glasgow's curriculum is that the catholic schools have opted out :(

It could be argued that sex ed should be taught at home and has no place in schools - however, the reality is that many adults will be too embarrassed to talk about it with their kids. I remember being so embarrassed when my mum tried to talk to me when I was 14 - I'd been talking about it at school since the age of 11.
If I was aware about it at the end of primary school (a Catholic one with no sex ed at all), then I'm sure I wasn't alone.
Best to start talking about it from a young age, when the kids aren't going to be tittering.
And let's give schools some credit - they know what they are doing, and will tailor the particular classes age-appropriately.

My mother never talked to me about sex at all. If I hadn't had sex education classes at school I'd have been completely in the dark. I'm much more open with my own DCs.

My parents were extremely open with me: kept on reminding me, age 15, that the Family Planning Clinic didn't ask your age, nor would it judge you and that "I should be prepared"

....nothing more guaranteed to put you off!

.....see earlier posting about being nearly 22 before I finally "did" it!

Personally my 6 yo would be easily able to read all of that. The thing is, I want to provide her with sex ed and not allow the school to tell her what they like. She's my child, my responsibility and I resent the intrusion by an outside concern. I hate that they don't trust us to raise our kids right and that the assumption is that a teacher needs to enlighten them. Well hey, I'm a teacher, back off. And even if I wasn't, I'm certain that the majority of people could do a great job at sex ed anyway.

(I'm not against sex ed in schools per se, as obviously not all children get a good grounding at home, but it's just frustrating that because of this the state decides what and when your child should be told. Some kids are more mature at 10 than others. I'd just like to reserve the right to tell my kids myself when and how I think it's appropriate. I can be trusted not to talk about gooseberry bushes for goodness sake!)