Explicit Sex Ed material for 5 years olds!!!

[vintageteacups]

sex ed for 5 years olds

I think this is extremely wrong on so many levels. Would you seriously like your 5 yr olds to be told about sex like this???

'Could I ask, would you honestly be entirely happy if your daughter had an abortion, or your son was homosexual or a transexual. Would it not bother you in any way?'

What a horrid piece of bigotry. CBA to read thread; have you been like this all the way through?

They've put together the "shocking" bit (or the bits they don't like - hey come on these people don't believe in sex before marriage, abortion in any circumstances, homosexuality, transexualism they're hardly coming to it with open eyes are they!)

Snorbs - It was with reference to Baroques attack on the Christian Institutes beliefs.

the face is because it's another school subject, I meant that he would be taught in the exact same way he is now in other subject areas.

SpaceAge. Well I can't really do anything about it if any of my children are homosexual or transsexuals - so there's not much point in being unhappy about it.

I wouldbe bothered if one of them gets a girl pregnant because they don't use contraception or get carried away following biological instincts. Because that would be preventable with education and talking before hand.

Snorbs - actually it does have something to do with sex education in schools that bit - as (thankfully!) those subjects are covered at various stages in the curriculum (I believe abortion comes into the KS3 part of it).

We are all bigoted. Surely thats why this discussion is taking place. ??!!

if any of my kids turn out to be gay[wich they are not]id still love and stand by them 100%,also my dd1 had a baby at 18 ,and abortion was never mentioned

'We are al bigoted'. Up to a point. Decent people recognize their own bigotry and do their utmost not to act on it. Bigots revel in it.

Ah right.

Well, I'd be disappointed if DD decided she wanted an abortion but mainly because of whatever situation it was that led up to such a decision being made, and the effect it might have on DD. But I wouldn't regard it as any sort of fundamentally immoral decision.

I couldn't care less if my children turned out to be homosexual or transexual. What I want is for them to be happy.

I don't for a second believe that homosexuality and transexuality being touched on in school sex education classes (and it really is only mentioned in passing) will make any difference at all to the sexual orientation of children.

So, after digressing, back to my original point.

Now that we all know that this information does appear within the info packs being handed out to schools do you think its right to teach primary school children about ANAL SEX - MASTERBATION - ORAL SEX - PROSTITUTION and are you happy with your little ones to know about this at that age?

Is there BESTIALITY in there as well?

yes I'm quite happy for my YR4/5/6 child to know what anal sex, masturbation, oral sex and prostitution are.

At which point are primary school-aged children actually going to be actively taught about anal sex? Please point that out to me because, for the life of me, I do not believe that is what is intended or what is actually going to happen.

There is one tiny mention of anal sex in a glossary of terms. That is not the same as "being taught". The dictionary on my bookshelf almost certainly includes the word "cunnilingus" but that doesn't mean I'm actively teaching my children about muff-diving.

God it was you that made me laugh on the ISP internet threads wasn't it

OK - I'm going to try and explain this "primary school" age thing again.

Next year my DS2 goes up to Junior school (YR3) and into KS2. DS1 will be in YR6 - also KS2.

They will both be working at the stage KS. Their teachers will probably use many of the same resource packs for them.

However, DS2 will not be having the same resources used for his lessons in, lets just say, Maths, as DS1 will be in YR6. The packs are provided to cover and entire Keystage..........and so include material for all of the ages from YR3 to YR6 (8-11).

While DS1's teacher will be teaching him square numbers, recognising divisibility and other such more complicated/complex areas

DS2 will be doing adding and subtracting multiples of 10, counting back in hundreds, and the like.

The resource packs the teacher use will probably be the SAME one - they just take the information and resources that are most suitable for the age group they are teaching out and use that - leaving the stuff that's better for the older KS2 children for the YR6 teachers to use.

LOL! @ AyeRobot. Thats just what I was thinking, and maybe they'll throw a bit of necrophilia in there too, afterall, sodomy and buggery is a normal part of a loving, healthy sex life.

Baroque - Its still primary children whatever stage they are at and my belief is that no child needs to know about anal sex, oral sex, masterbation or prostitution.

Snorbs - Have you read the dossier yet?

Children copy adult behaviour. Its all debased and immoral and my heart goes out to children having to grow up in this sex obsessed, violent, corrupt world where there is no respect for each other or oneself and increasingly less and less basic morals.

Its very sad.

Anyone seen this page this page? You can make your views on sex education clear by voting yes or no on the poll (bottom left, I think). I just voted and 100 per cent said no to sex education for five year olds

You were thinking that in all seriousness? I was taking the piss.

Yes I have read the report which is why I wrote what I wrote. I could see no reference to anal sex other than a clipping of a single-sentence description that apparently comes from a glossary of terms.

But please help me out here. Obviously I've missed something important. Please do tell me where, in that report, does it say that primary school children are actually going to be taught about anal sex?

I suspect that Yr6 will be masturbating well before they have the lesson on how to...

ermm well - I've never tried the whole anal sex thing but it is a perfectly normal and healthy part of an adult sex life for many people .

Spaceage - re the masturbation thing - just be glad you don't have 3 boys ages 10,7, and 3.........of course the 3yr old (still in nappies at night) involuntarily gets an erection........however DS1 has obviously discovered he can get one with a little "handywork" and I recently caught all 3 of them after their bath seeing, well I'm not sure exactly what they were doing but I think it was whose would stay up the longest...........DS1 had a slight smirk on his face when I caught him - as he had evidentially enjoyed it

(I walked into the room - took one look at them gave them a /, look at walked out while DS1 dashed for his towel ]grin]).

Masterbation is NORMAL, it is not dirty, or rude, perfectly normal, and probably the first "sexual" thing a child of 10+ (maybe slightly younger - think I was about 9 when I discovered it...........but didn't know it had a name) will do.

I just don't get the whole "teaching a child about a part of life they will experience as adults, and what is healthy and normal in the wider context of that" (ie sex and relationships) is in any way sexualising them.

Sex and relationships are just as much a part of everyda normal life for adults as maths, literacy, science, music, history, geography..............and tbh most children won't need any information about those until after they actually leave school.........

I fail to see how anyone unless you have the filthiest of minds or are bigotted can object to children learning the following age appropriate things......

(copied in its entirety from the Management Circular that Glasgow City Council issued to all schools)

Early years Education

By the end of early years education children should show:

• Awareness and development of self-esteem and confidence;

• Awareness of feelings, developing ability to express own feeling and consider feelings of others;

• Development of positive attitudes to self and others, including awareness and consequences of bullying and respect for needs and feelings of others;

• Development of independence and consideration of safety in decision making including the ability to say no to strangers;

• Awareness and appreciation of uniquness of self and others;

• Appreciation of the value of family, friends and people who care for them;

• Development of repsect for others including elderly and disabled people

Early Primary Stages

During early stages of primary school children should also show:

• Awareness and knowledge of their body, its uniqueness, how it grows and changes;

• Awareness that they can make their own choices, the value of positive choices, and consequences of choice, including in bullying situations, for self and others;

• An appreciation of the value of different family groups, friends and people who contribute to their care and wlfare and an appreciation of the dangers posed by strangers.

Middle Stages of Primary School

During the middle stages of primary school children should also show:

• Appreciation of changes in self and family and associated feelings;

• Awareness of how the body defends itself against infection including the importance of the immune system;

• Awareness of the various roles in friendship, the value of supporting one another and influencing decision making;

• Development of skills and strategies to deal with bullying situtations.

Upper Stages of Primary School

During the uppers stages of primary school children should also show:

• Knowledge of understanding of reproductive system and processes, inclduing menstruation, pregnancy and birth;

• Awareness of influences, including media, on them and how to deal with associated pressures;

• Awareness of physical and emotional changes at puberty and the importnace of related personal hygiene;

• Development of self-esteem, confidence and assertivness to promote positive image of self worth;

• Development of ability to deal with sexual feelings;

• Understanding of own developing sexulaity and awarenss of gender identity;

• Understanding of the changing nature of friendship including the ability to leave old friends and make new friends;

• Awarenss of value of responsibility and caring in relationships.

Stages S1 to S3 of Secondary School

During S1-S3 of secondary school young people should also show:

• Further knowledge and understanding of the human reproducitve process, issues related to puberty and clarify misconceptions about them;

• Skills to maintain friendships and relationships;

• Appreciation of the importance of treating others equally to ensure equality of opportunity and combating gender and other stereotypes and discrimination

• Knowledge of the effects of risk taking associated with sexual health, responsible strategies for keeping safe and healthy, and the positive effects of a healthy lifestyle;

• Awareness of peer and media influences and ability to develop strategies to deal with thme to promote positive sexual health;

• Appreciation of the importance of permanent and positive relationships;

• Appreciation of the variety of roles of parents and carers including clarifying mistaken information about sexual health;

• Understanding contraception and family planning issues;

• Knowledge of the range of sexually transmitted infections and ways to keep safe;

• Awareness of sources of useful information, advice and services for sexual health.

Stages S4 to S6 of Secondary Education

During S4-S6 of secondary school young people should also show:

• Understanding of the need for commitment and responsibilty in relationships;

• Appreciation of variety in sexual orientation and the need for tolerance and respect of people whose sexual orientation is different;

• Understanding of women's and men's rights in relation to sexual health;

• Awareness of the issues involved in becoming a responsible parent;

• Understanding of the need for respect and responsibility in sexual behaviour;

• Knowledge of responsibilities and strategies for avoiding sexually transmitted infections;

• Awareness of sources of useful information, advice and services for sexual health.

They are really not going to be teaching all that in Primary school-you are mad to think so!

Sorry-nothing to do with prettybird's long post-in reply to all those who take what DM says as gospel.

I knew you weren't referring to my post exoticfruits (it took me ages to type all of that as it wouldn't "copy and paste").

I really do genuinely not understand what anyone could object to it in that outline . Please - one of those you has been coming up with objections (for example majordanjarivs, vintageteacups, thefairies) - please, enlighten me.

Point to where and why you have objections to what is being taught.

prettybird, thanks for that. It all seems entirely reasonable to me and I like that a lot of it is about relationships rather than just sex.