Explicit Sex Ed material for 5 years olds!!!

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sex ed for 5 years olds

I think this is extremely wrong on so many levels. Would you seriously like your 5 yr olds to be told about sex like this???

Its possible to make allowances for 'teenage liaisons' in law - eg in Italy:
The age of consent in Italy is 14 years, with a close-in-age exception that allows those aged 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are less than 3 years older. The age of consent rises to 16 if one of the participants has some kind of influence on the other (e.g. teacher, tutor, adoptive parent).

I would adjust those ages up a couple of years but the concepts (less strict for similar ages, more strict for people with 'influence') are good.

Grimma - interesting example there, thank you.

I'm afraid I disagree with these caveats (i.e. proximity in age, different rules for people with influence etc). These are factors that may be taken into consideration by a judge when passing sentence on anyone. They should bear no relevance as to whether a crime has been considered or not.

Ages of consent worldwide. I am genuinely shocked by the number of countries that have different ages for male and female - usually younger for women - so men can have sex with young girls asap.

"I am genuinely shocked by the number of countries that have different ages for male and female"

Are you misreading the table? There seem to be only two countries with a younger age of consent for women than men, Bolivia and Indonesia.

There are then two countries where the male age of consent is lower than the female, Botswana and Papua New Guinea.

And in those countries I presume it must be so that women can have sex with young men ASAP?

Yes sorry Badger - I re-read after posting and realised I misread the column with 2 ages.

Still shocked about the discrepancy though.

"Still shocked about the discrepancy though."

There's only four countries with the discrepancy and they're equally split as to which sex's age of consent is younger.

So if anything is shocking is that that's actually very balanced, you kind of expect to find that women's ages are actually younger. It's interesting to note that when you saw two figures you presumed that it was giving the ages for different sexes and that where one was younger that would be the one for female.

As I told you I misread the table and got it wrong about the male / female age differences. I didn't presume anything - I read the table as having female / male ages - when in fact unless specified it referred to the upper and lower age limits of consents where there wasn't a straight rule.

I am still shocked there are 4 countries in the world that have different ages of consent for male and female - regardless of which gender they "favour"

"I didn't presume anything - I read the table as having female / male ages"

You saw two different ages. Rather than think "what does that mean, I'll check if there's an explanation" you came to the conclusion that they were for different sexes, that the younger one would be for women and that that was so that "men can have sex with young girls asap".

That most definitely is a presumption.

"I am still shocked there are 4 countries in the world that have different ages of consent for male and female"

I shocked that according to the laws of the world it's only four who differentiate, that's still four too many, but less than I thought there would be.

I've got the feeling that laws are ignored in many places though, but is that just showing off my assumptions and prejudices?

Hi, Just wanted to clarify what I said earlier, I agree with the points being made by both Major and Tondelayo about age of consent, we do need one to prosecute sexual predators and I don't disagree with that.

I think this threads gone a bit off topic, I originally raised the issue of the irrelevance of underage sex being illegal in this discussion because I felt OP was using it as an excuse as to why we shouldn't teach sex ed to under 16's.

Reading back through I noticed someone mentioned Road Safety and I do actually think its a good analogy. We teach our children the basics of stop, look and listen from a very early age so that years later when they are out alone or without supervision they are safe and don't make stupid decisions which will negatively effect the rest of their life. If we instil the basics of safe sex from an early age surely it will have the same results. Teaching our children about love and relationships relating to sex over a long period of time helps to increase the chances of them making better decisions in the future. I know children are still run-over but I think it is a lot less frequent than it would be without our teachings.

I would rather by child be taught realistic sex ed by a teacher than find out some distorted description by a 12 year old cousin or a school friend who has no experience.

It has gone a bit off topic - my fault.

Badger - you're really arguing amongst yourself - I made a statement which was wrong - I admit it. I don't really think it's worth spending any more time on.

Ruby - you make fair points.

No, No, No ... I'm not happy with this being taught as sex ed to my P3 child. I want my child to be a child and she is not ready to even think about the 'mechanics' of sex. Why are we forcing children to grow up too soon??!!www.mumsnet.com/te/6.gif

of FGS read the bloody thread - this part of the KS2 resources of course the bloody Daily Mail aren't going to show you the bits actually aimed at the lower end of KS2 but they want to provoke outrage

Baroque - here

My 13 year old boy said that he thought he was too young for the sex education he got at school as him and his mates are "only 13 and not interested in having sex rather go to skatepark with our mates" so maybe primary is too young to be force feeding children and just answer honestly when the question arises. BTW son has a girlfriend!!

thank you seeker

How do you know that the DM have printed it to be sensationalist Baroque. If you know that, then perhaps what they printed about the Tsunami hitting Japan was also incorrect?

How you believe something that's credible and not something else from the same paper???

Do the DM print things not to be sensational?!

How do I know the DM was being sensational? Because that's the only possible explanation for the way it has been reported!

Obviously parents will hold varying views. Personally I believe I am the best judge as to what exactly my DS is ready to see and not see, and not teachers; unfortuately some of which either dont have children themselves, or have a 'tick box' mentality. This often changes after the trials of mother or fatherhood embrace them.
I would advise concerned parents to contact schools and review the agenda being implemented. If you are unhappy, remove your child from the class. Control is still in our hands...if we want it that is...:)

What I never get about the argument that children will lose their childhood if you teach them about something they are too young for, is why this only applies to reproduction.

My 14yo has been taught about the British electoral system, I think that is absolutely shocking: she won't have the vote for another 4 years. How can they take her childhood away from the poor child in this disgusting way? Why should she know about things that are beyond her?

And my 10yo has been learning about the Second World War- what's that all about then? Is people killing each other less shocking or upsetting than people making love?

Surely it should be a matter for parents to decide when they want to introduce these disturbing subjects?

And if not, why not?

Unless my area is an exception schools have always consulted the parents over sex education and the content-I have even been invited in to see the films first. There is always a letter and you can withdraw your DC, but it isn't something I would do to my DC. I expect the DM doesn't mention any of that-it would spoil the story.

I am afraid I have personaly been told by several girls in different schools (where I taught) that their only opton is to get pregnant and get a social security flat! Those girls were anywhere between 13 and 15 years old. Sadly that is exactly what they did as soon as they finished the school. And these girls had serious ammount of sex education in their schools and knew way too much about sex for their age if you ask me.

I don't beleive that sex education is ONLY factor responsible for fighting teenage pregnancy it is infact FAMILY! Why there are no Asian teenage pregnancies? Why there are almost non-existant Eastern European teenage pregnancies? Because it si not acceptable in the sociaty. Not becuae it is sinful but beacuse it is out of order of things. Teenage girls need to be aware what is acceptible by society. If the society discusses anal sex at the age of 5 (or 10!!!) it strips any innocence from childhood and sexualise it in the same time. I think it is way too early to have sex education beofre pubery. THis is so because it si not relevant to the child's develpment. Nature is not interested in sex at that age why should we force it on the young minds. When puberty starts then sex education should start. So if we are happy that the puberty age is 12 the sex eduacation is appropriate at 10. Even then very careful consideration should be taken to deschipher from EXPLAINING THE FACTS of LIFE form DISCUSSING SEXUAL POSITIONS! This is not the same and school should not represent sexual education as sexual practice but as fact of life. Children neither want or need to know about anal sex. THis is absurd. But they need to be told ABOUT SEX and palce it takes in life. I think this is all gone out of hands and too politicaly correct that it has lost its actual role. And YES I am PSHE teacher and HAVE TAUGHT SEX EDUCATION TO CHILDREN AT SCHOOLS!

You know what, BillieK?

I don't believe you are a PHSE teacher.

But if you are, and I find out you are teaching at any school a child of mine might go to, I will be complaining to the Governors before your feet hit the staff room floor.

You would really worry me too BillieK.

"And YES I am PSHE teacher and HAVE TAUGHT SEX EDUCATION TO CHILDREN AT SCHOOLS!"

I. Have. No. Words.