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Court backs decision to bar Christian foster couple

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hymie · 28/02/2011 16:51

Should Christians be stopped from fostering because of their faith/belief?

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StewieGriffinsMom · 28/02/2011 23:16

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thefirstMrsDeVere · 28/02/2011 23:17

Of course it does! I went through a two year process to adopt a child that I was fostering.

So I have a better understanding than someone who jsut reads something in the papers.

You state that a Muslim couple who refuses to accept mixed realationships or the independance of disabled people WOULD be allowed to adopt. I can tell you that they wouldnt. If they made these views clear during the process they would not get to panel. It just wouldnt happen.

A muslim couple that made the same statments as the couple in the court case would get the same treatment. As would anyone else.

hymie · 28/02/2011 23:17

Its important that SS weed out the obvious extremist nut jobs in the vetting process

I'm an atheist and I think all religious fanatics are nutjobs.

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hymie · 28/02/2011 23:20

A muslim couple that made the same statments as the couple in the court case would get the same treatment. As would anyone else.

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The point was about same religion marriage in their case...should they be able to foster in those circumstances?

As for fostering and your experience.

Do you have an opinion on anything you haven't done before? And if you do, do you take a truth as told by someone 'Of experience' as gospel?

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BooyFuckingHoo · 28/02/2011 23:22

i don't subscribe to any religion. why is that relevant to whether you read devere's post saying that she had adopted?

hymie · 28/02/2011 23:23

BooyFuckingHoo
i don't subscribe to any religion. why is that relevant to whether you read devere's post saying that she had adopted?

The thread is about religious views and adoption.

I said it before and i'll say it again.

It's not all about YOU.

HTH.

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StewieGriffinsMom · 28/02/2011 23:28

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thefirstMrsDeVere · 28/02/2011 23:29

My point is more that you seem to have little or no understanding of the assessment process involved in fostering and adoption. So in this case my experience is relevant.

It is invasive and intense. It goes into every aspect of your life and your view and opinions. They dont just stand you in a line and pick out the ones they like the look of.

They ask you very specific questions about your views on many subjects including race, religion, disability and gender.

Therefore ANY couple of ANY religion who expressed views like the couple in the case reported would be rejected long before they got to panel.

Do you have an intelligent reply for me now or are you just going to say something stupid again?

Portofino · 28/02/2011 23:30

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BooyFuckingHoo · 28/02/2011 23:32

"I said it before and i'll say it again.

It's not all about YOU."

then why the hell are YOU asking about MY religion when i quoted another poster's comment??

you are wired up to the moon. there is no sense to be had from you at all!!

Mumi · 28/02/2011 23:44

hymie Mon 28-Feb-11 23:08:07

"Whats 'MY' way of thinking Mumi?

Enlighten me seeing as we're in a sharing moment?"

What I had established is that you put the responsibility of stigma onto gay couples and the children they adopt instead of those perpetuating it, and by doing so you are part of that number.

I didn't comment on what else your way of thinking may consist of, but given that it must be something you can only support with always/never arguments, I'm not in the least bit interested either.

hymie · 28/02/2011 23:54

Portofino Mon 28-Feb-11 23:30:43
This is definitely the //////////////////person except it is going for now....


Is that better, i'm still not ///// no matter how hard you try to scream monster.
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GrimmaTheNome · 28/02/2011 23:57

Much better, now we know there's more than one person with an irritating posting style Grin

No Boo, its not all about you. Quite a bit seemed to be about something SGM said on a different topic.Hmm

BooyFuckingHoo · 01/03/2011 00:00

Grin@ grimma.

i really hope it isn't all about me. for a start i have no clue what any of it means.

Grandhighpoohba · 01/03/2011 00:03

In my experience, you can only have a meaningful discussion when both parties actually have a fully functioning grasp of reason and reality. Which is why this argument is going nowhere.

differentnameforthis · 01/03/2011 06:46

(Bearing in mind that Heterosexual couples don't have the 100% insight into this so they may be ill informed)

So, as a heterosexual parent, I am not qualified to tell my daughter that being in a same sex relationship or loving someone of the same sex is good? Of course it is. And of course I am qualified to say that. Why? Because loving someone who loves you back is GOOD! Whether they are the same sex or not. I'm also qualified to say it, as I have loved one person for 22 yrs & it is pretty good. So I can't see how loving someone of the same sex wouldn't be good.

It is a conversation that I will have to have with my child soon, as her cousin has just come out. And I am dead proud of my niece!

It's about suggesting that it's a good life

But WHY isn't it a good life? Why can't I suggest to my daughter that her cousin is happy & living a good life, in love with her girlfriend?

differentnameforthis · 01/03/2011 06:52

Why not wait until they ask

But WHY wait until they ask? Being a parent isn't about waiting for the questions, it is about teaching children. I will decide when to have the conversation with my daughter, and in a brief way I have already. She said she wanted to marry her daddy, but not her mummy, because women don't marry each other, I told her that they can!

I didn't wait until she said 'can I run into the road' I taught her before she could ask that, because it is part of life.

mariepuree · 01/03/2011 16:02

I think that what is sad about this case is the fact that two loving people who do not believe in the act of homosexuality (which is their right) have been maligned for their honesty. I listened to this couple being interviewed on R4 this morning and they stated clearly that they were not against homosexuals but the act of homosexuality. The two are very different but has been lost in the virulent name calling.

When asked how they would react if a child in their care told them they were gay, they said they would give that child love and try to help them to understand themselves but they would not say that it is or is not a valid lifestyle.

I am fed up by the way debate has been shut down on this and (other issues) because of the fear of being called homophobic when you are not and that those with the loudest voice are unable to accept alternative views to their own. Being against the act of homosexuality is not the same as being against homosexuals. Jesus said hate the sin but not the sinner and this is what this couple said this morning. If someone is a thief, who hate the act of theft but not the person because you try to understand the underlying reasons why they do it.

Nobody bats an eyelid when fun is made of people with strongly held religious belief but it is daggers at dawn if you dare profess your discomfort with homosexualityHmm.

If we follow this court verdict to the letter, all would be parents should be vetted on their views to everything to ensure that they comply with social services rule book!

The losers in this are the children who will be denied a loving home.Sad

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/03/2011 16:08

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rightpissedoff · 01/03/2011 16:08

That's nicely put mariepuree.

scurryfunge · 01/03/2011 16:14

marie, to condemn homosexuality as wrong is just as bad as condemning any act. You cannot separate the two.

To compare thieving to homosexuality is really offensive.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 01/03/2011 16:14

More to the point, isn't being in your 60s a bit old to be fostering?

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/03/2011 16:17

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mariepuree · 01/03/2011 16:18

SGM there are plenty of parents out there who love their children but disagree with their lifestyle, especially if they are gay. I don't doubt for one minute that they don't love their children and to think that they are hyprocrites is ridiculous imo.

mariepuree · 01/03/2011 16:19

I don't doubt for one minute that they love their children

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