Sexual exploitation of teenagers by (mainly) Asian gangs

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hundreds of young girls are being groomed and prostituted by gangs according to an investigation by The Times]] Only the gangs are predominantly Asian men so the authorities have been very reluctant to either talk about it or act - even now the Home Office 'has no plans' to do any research into the pattern of offending, despite a request by the safeguarding children's board in Derby, backed by Barnardos. Former MP Ann Cryer has been campaigning on this for years but was shouted down with cries of 'racism'.

Afraid Times is now behind a paywall so can't link to the full story but if you have access, it's here down the page under 'UK news'.

Strikes me that the racists here are the officials who are afraid to uphold the law or to talk about this. And that it's yet another example where racism trumps misogyny.

There have been some prosecutions - 56 men convicted in 17 cases. But sounds as if the Home Office doesn't want anyone to find out if the problem is far more widespread.

Yes indeed.
And I hope this does not become another issue where the fact that most pedophiles assault children within their home or social group gets lost.

This was on newsnight (I think) a short while back. They focussed on a girl who kept going missing and she was from a very stable background - it transpired she went along with what was asked of her because the gang said that if she didn't they'd would gang rape her mother. She did it out of fear.

The family have since moved overseas to give their dd a new start.

It's a pattern where they isolate the girls from their family and so they feel they have noone to talk to about it.

Very scary. They didn't mention ethncity of the gang but rather highlighted the fact that the gangs are fairly young men (18-25 years old).

Its kicking off now on BBC news and becoming a ''racist'' issue .

Shame

There has always been a misogynist streak in some young/old men. I was ''young' in the 70's and there was 'casual contempt' for women every where - watch Benny Hill etc

BUT -

This is a cultural thing of some Muslim men's attitude to women.

But we should also be questioning how our society lets these girls some as young as 12 become so vulnerable. And I know its complex

SWC - Can't say I have seen a growing level among teen/young adults that I know and can't say I see it in society/media in general. There is in the ''gangsta'' culture but that's hardly mainstream and has always been in inner city gang culture of every ethnicity - its not new

Which is why I say in particular these cases do stand out as a cultural/religious issue

There was another Dispatches documentary about gang rape which focused on the fact that it was almost exclusively carried out by young black men.

The doc was by a reporter who had fled Sierra Leone and had seen gang rape used as a weapon of war.

He was horrified to read about it happening here too and that it was carried out by boys of a certain ethnicity.

It formed part of a gang culture and the issues were slightly different as sexual 'favours' were performed on a number of boys as part of girls' initiation into a gang. Sometimes girls were raped and sexually assaulted at the behest of other girls. They interviewed a girl who was raped by a large number of boys in the stairwell of some flats. Even a boy she considered her friend did it.

It is impossible to know if this is a growing trend as statistics on gang rape are not kept by police.

But it was presented as a problem that has stemmed from the sort of 'role models' these children are given.

noone deserves to be rapes however they may dress or behave. sadly some females unintentionally behave and/or dress in a way that sadly would draw some unwanted attention. some women/girls walk around half naked at the same time we live especially in some areas that are highly multicultural. asian women mostly cover themselves in varying degress which i guess makes the divide stand out as to different ways females dress, it can makes some males assume that the more provocatively dressed female is 'asking for it' (even though i assume she isn't although i guess some females who are out to pull of a night may have deliberately dressed in a more sexual nature). i do not dress in a sexy way, never have, i am quite tomboyish and personnaly have never gravitated more towards the sexy female dress code. i think this toppelled with alot of loud mouthed females and over drinking/under age sex added with the more pornographic videos portraying women as sex objects all contributes. what a stinker. not all white females like to get pissed and open their legs at the drop of a hat; our culture is misunderstood and we have all been painted with the same brush and i guess others outside cannot recognise the difference. this pisses me off no end.

I'm sure if it was the other way round with White men or any other ethnic group grooming Asian girls the "Muslim community" would be in uproar and demand immediate action by the police to stop it, but in this country it seems the muslim community are treated preferentially to other ethnic groups because we don't want to give them anymore cause to nurse aggreviances and blow us up. Until we stop this preferential treatment, this sort of thing will continue and the perpetrators will think they can get away with it because to take action is seen to be racist.

I do think that white/european men have long gone to countries like Thailand and abused young women and children there.

However there are not the settled white/european communities in those countries where white/european families have grown up alongside the native population.Speaking the same language and sharing a culture.

Here we welcome immigration,we also welcome integration.
Every now and then a media outcry condemns(quite rightly) men like Gary Glitter for their crimes.
Do we hear of these men in our media and do other countries such as Pakistan(in recent press) report the crimes that are being reported here, now?.

Mumzy

I don't think it us preferential treatment nor do I think most Muslims want to 'blow us up.'

I think it is a complex issue which isn't just a criminal matter, it can't just be dealt with by police. I think it's a very difficult thing to stop as many young girls will find it tough to extricate themselves from these relationships once estranged from regular family and friends.

Reeling

Yes good point about Thailand

CommanderDrool....if the girls are underage then it is a criminal matter and has to be dealt with by the Police.
I do agree that when young girls are estranged from family and friends then 'rescuing' them will be hard.

I am really horrified by what seems to be a general trend of targeting, grooming and be-'friending' vulnerable people, whether they are young or not, whether for money or sex or just sport.

My DS works in mental health and there he sees the phenomenon of 'cuckoo-ing' where people in the neighbourhood pretend to befriend people with mental health problems. They hang out at their house or move in, and steal their food and goods and money, often over a long period of time. People with mental health problems are often isolated, so they value these 'friendships' and it is very difficult to persuade them to keep away. I'm sure this happens to people with learning disabilities.

Why do we have such a cruel society?

Well of course - but it's not just a criminal matter is it. It's a cultural one, about what is deemed acceptable behaviour towards women. The police can't do much about that.

'I think it goes along with the huge porn and sexualisation culture that these young poeple grow up with. Add to the fact misogyny has never gone away and presto.
If you watch the average nights TV and you were an alien you'd think western people barely wore clothes, hated women and were at it like bunnies.'

Nail hitting head!

We don't have anything but the basic channels and those are bad enough.

This whole 'culture' of shows like 'Take Me Out' and pop shows and the like, it makes me despair of having two daughters.

So we don't watch much.

Can I just add re the point about Thailand, sex tourism has been a longstanding phenomenon but it was lobbying and publicising here that led to the law being changed, so any sex offences committed by UK nationals abroad can be prosecuted here after they return home.

Sadly for some cases, it needs to be an offence in the country it was committed, so where the age of consent is lower than here, the act may still be deemed legal but there have been convictions and it has made sex tourism more risky for the perpetrators, compared to when they were safe as long as they left the country before they got picked up. And given the complicity of authorities in some countries - eg Philippines - it does actually mean some cases are pursued by authorities here which probably wouldn't have been locally.

Mumzy - oh ffs get a grip.

The world is becoming increasingly sexualized and at the same time women are becoming less dependent on men. Reminds me of the Naomi Wolf book that was laughed at (was it the 'Beauty Myth'?) where every time women make strides in world there's something to come back and hit them in the face and remind them of their status of 'just women'.

I worry about boys growing up in this women hating culture, my own ds included.

OK,how do the statistics work?

Suddenly we are told that 53 out of 56 men who have been charged with child abuse/exploitation are of Pakistani origin.

Has there ever been a similar study of white/British men in this country being convicted of similar crimes in the same 'gang' way.

Obviously there are more white/British abusers in this country because there are more white/British people.

I have no idea how many Pakistani origin people there are in this country,never mind how many are convicted abusers.

itsatiggerday...i don't know the laws in Pakistan but does that mean that offences committed in the UK will be followed up by the Pakistan authorities?
If they are reported to them.?