Sexual exploitation of teenagers by (mainly) Asian gangs

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hundreds of young girls are being groomed and prostituted by gangs according to an investigation by The Times]] Only the gangs are predominantly Asian men so the authorities have been very reluctant to either talk about it or act - even now the Home Office 'has no plans' to do any research into the pattern of offending, despite a request by the safeguarding children's board in Derby, backed by Barnardos. Former MP Ann Cryer has been campaigning on this for years but was shouted down with cries of 'racism'.

Afraid Times is now behind a paywall so can't link to the full story but if you have access, it's here down the page under 'UK news'.

Strikes me that the racists here are the officials who are afraid to uphold the law or to talk about this. And that it's yet another example where racism trumps misogyny.

There have been some prosecutions - 56 men convicted in 17 cases. But sounds as if the Home Office doesn't want anyone to find out if the problem is far more widespread.

I thought it was 70 virgins?

How come its become a muslim thing in the last page or so?

Some of the perpetrators are muslim (though i douybt particularly religous if they can justify doing this to themselves) some are other religions. They majority are it appears 'asian' that makes up more than one religious group, you know!

The problem i really thing is the divide and segregation from very young, the asian boys being in groups at school seperate from white boys and even black boys. They wouldnt act like this with other asian girls, even if there were of a different religious group because they feel they are still part of their community.

There is a really big problem with the element of 'other' just like the irish/english divide mentioned before.

And what these girls are wearing has nothing to do with it, its statutory rape, they cant consent even if they did want to

Thats just for the greedy ones ;-)

Missque....most Asian countries take a VERY dim view of drug dealing.
So where does all the heroin actually come from then.

I thought it was mainly Afghanistan and Pakistan.

not religion but certainly culture is a factor. The misogony within the Asian community, in particular the muslim community is very sadly huge.

I've worked with victims of domestic violence for over 10 years and the muslim community has extrememly high levels of undermining women in general.

Not all muslim men and of course misogny is thriving in all communities.

I am from the south but I have close relatives in Lancashire and have been visting towns with a high proportion of British Pakistanis in them, my whole life.

These towns have always has very visible, thriving red light districts (something that I have NEVER been blatantly aware of in any of the many southern towns I have lived in, or got to know well, with the exception of Chatham, where coincidentally (or not) there is also a high proportion of Pakistanis. It has always been my observation/understanding that the working girls are white, and goodly proportion of their clientele are Pakistani in these towns. But I'm no expert - these are purely my observations.

reelingintheyears Sat 08-Jan-11 20:54:33
Missque....most Asian countries take a VERY dim view of drug dealing.

Most COUNTRIES not most Asian countries, nothing special about Asian countries.

And yes technically a lot of this misogyny is ''cultural'' much of it Arab and pre-dating Islam and yes technically the Koran is very liberal to women and says both sexes should dress modestly etc .This is all very well in interlectal discussions

BUT religion is what is cited by Imans in Saudi who say women should be beaten and stone dto death for being found with a man who is not a relative - for 10 year old girls being married to 70 year old men in Somalia - for female circumcision. And the generally shitty way women are treated in many Muslim countries.

They do not say this is our cultural norm they say this is our religion

And please do not get me started on the Bible

I live in Bristol and whilst waiting to exit a T junction an Asian driver (young male) got very very angry and started beeping calling me white bitch, fucking white whore and then called my children white bastard children from their slag of a mother. No different from the white youths intimidating immigrant women and children, but it does seem to reflect a general theme that is developing in some parts of our communities.

Margaretgrace

I was quoting Missque...
'most Asian countries take a VERY dim view of drug dealing'.
Most of Britains heroin comes from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Cripes,i'm not good at quotes and stuff.
Sorry.

Ok - I have name changed for this one as I am going to be very frank and honest about my background.

I am from a Pakistani, Muslim background and am keen to dispel some of the myths and also to try and open up people's eyes to what really goes on.

1. IMO there is more racism amongst Pakistani people that white people. They are so fucking insular that they don't even want to marry outside of their own family ( first cousins )let alone outside of their caste or race. I am married to a white man which is just about acceptable as he "converted" for the sake of peace ( what a joke - we are both atheists!) However, if I married a black man I don't think my mum could have let us go out in public.

1. The vast majority of people who call themselves muslims are not. It seems to me that as long as they APPEAR to be muslims to the outside world - that's all that counts. But things that go on behind closed doors are completely swept under the carpet. This is a pertinent point as I'm sure the local Pakistani communities in these northern towns know what is going on but it's all under the carpet. The amount of infidelity, incest and crime ( leading to imprisonment) that has occured in my family alone has led me to believe that we cannot be alone in this, as to the world we are the epitome of respectability.

1. The general status of women is appalling. They need to be - pretty, fair in complexion, academically high achievers but not think for themselves, have a vocation but mainly to acquire a good husband, take on the nurturing of the wider extended family which means taking in every tom, dick, harry and stray cat that arrives from Pakistan illegally. And it goes without saying that what is good for the gander is definitely not good for the goose.

1. A lot of Pakistanis will live here all their lives and slag off everything to do with British culture and what an immoral society they live in. Yet they will do anything ( including illegal) to bring over another one of their extended family as it seems that most people's aim in

life in pakistan is to get the hell out of there regardless of the immoral cesspit they think they may be entering.

1. The last time I visited pakistan ( in my early 20's, a long time ago) I was nearly kidnapped by a large gang of men in broad daylight as I was seen as the "English slut" who would be up for it. It was one of the most horrific experiences of my life and to make matters worse, the police did nothing about it.

The reasons for my posting all of this is to give an insight into the hypocrisy that can occur in this culture. To cover your ears and mouth and be politically correct over things doesn't always cut it.

WOW.

OK, catching up with the thread a bit now...
reelingintheyears the white western men who travel to Thailand etc to have sex with very young girls are paedophiles. They are looking for a specific type of sex which is not easily bought or found in this country.(Thank God.)

The British Pakistani men at the heart of this issue are not technically paedophiles as they are not deliberately seeking out pre-pubescent children - just white disadvantaged teenagers, because they are naive, yet have loads of freedom, few boundaries, and easily swayed/impressed with money and flash gifts/attention etc. And they are, quite possibly, already sexually active.

Of course slightly older white men (in their 20's or 30's) have always preyed on naive young girls since time immemorial, (think 'flashy charming young Dad bangs the smitten babysitter after giving her a lift home' scenario) but this Asian thing is happening on a more cynical and organised scale. (unlike anything among white males) It's an opprotunist thing, because these men see their own women as pure and off-limits, and they genuinely believe that British women have loose morals, and are easy meat and fair game. Their own hypocrisy doesn't seem to enter into it. The onus is on the woman to constantly fend off the perfectly natural desire of the man and if she fails/succumbs, she deserves to be treated is a whore. Simple.

Hypocrisy that is a very frank and insightful post and very well written. May I suggest you contact a national newspaper and offer your insight and experience in an anonymous letter?

I think it's worthy of an expanded article.

oops sorry...I am cleaning and MNing!!

FellNell I totally agree with you but you are leaving out the monetary gain for these men, it's far more calculated than an opportunistic shag. These men are profiting from the statutory rape of underage girls.

Fellatio, i was trying to point out that not all abusers are Asian,and that White men go abroad looking for 'young,easy targets'
At the same time these Asian men are targeting young white girls who they see as being easy and available.
If they are abusing girls under 16 then they ARE paedophiles in our culture.

And THEIR culture if they have chosen to live here.

Who is to say if these girls have started their periods or not.
(Which is what prepubescence is about)

The words easy meat are just awful.

Thank you Hypocrisy, for making your point, it is such a pity that you have to remain anonymous to voice your views, it is a sad indictment of our culture :(

I would echo your concerns re: domestic violence and women's status - I work in mental health and some of the things we see are shocking. It is not just about 'misogyny' it is about a culture, and a protected culture at that.

I have also been spat on, abused, called White bitch, white whore, Get out of this area it's not for white people, I'm going to cut you, rape you etc etc but it has been denied so strongly that it makes me really angry. The only other people to have ever spat on me in public have been BNP and Combat 18 supporters. That tells you a little about how this situation has arisen maybe - treat someone harshly, abuse your power - and some of them will seek to gain power over you and treat you harshly in return. An eye for an eye and all that.

Hostility and hatred breeds more of the same and to some extent British society is reaping what it sewed over the last 30 years.

Alouiseg thank you

I have reservations about doing that for fear of inciting a racist backlash.

I can say these things reasonably safely on MN as on the whole people are fairly level headed ()

Yet I also admired some of the dispatches programmes on consanguinous marriages or forced marriages etc, so it is important to highlight what is going on.

*Sowed, sorry

I think this has very little to do with race or faith. But if we are on the subject, a hell of a lot of sexual abuse and manipulation of young women and men has been carried out within the christian society and churches too. So let he who is without sin etc.

I think within certain sections of society older men with money have always preyed on younger and more vulnerable girls. I don't think the police are racist (though some are I'll agree) and I don't think they are hushing it up but I think the Times would not sell a lot of newspapers from 'they have been investigating it for six months which is about average and have not managed to persuade the CPC to prosecute yet (normal) but hope to in future'.

Bloody awful for those girls involved obviously but I will be raising my daughter to beware anyone who tries to offer her gifts in return for favour. Whatever the colour of their skin or their faith.

Hypocrisy avoid the Daily Mail and the Express and the only backlash could be positive. Unfortunately the fear of a racist backlash has created the perfect conditions for these atrocities to go unchecked.

However I appreciate your dilemma.

Hypocrisy, I am neither egyptian nor muslim, but I can tell you that much of what you have described applied to the experiences I had of Egypt. without the kidnapping... but I did have literally scores of men calling my number after one managed to guess-dial it, and I answered it thinking it to be a member of my family...

Course, my 'H' had the same, but with many (22 in one month) women throwing themselves at him cos word had got out that I had gone home and his needs weren't being met

I had friends that were pretty near assaulted, by huge groups of men.

BUT I say again, IF this were a MUSLIM issue, then the Christians in egypt would have their women living to a different level, they would have equality within their relationships, the girls would not be treated like dirt.

This is not the case, it matters not what religion you are in these cultures where women are mistreated. You will be shat apon regardless.

Religion IS however he big white stick, the BECAUSE to any random WHY... but this is cultural control not religious control.

Western Mediterranean and indeed Greek cultures are mis-matched when it comes to sexual equality too, albeit to a lesser extent than their North African Eastern Mediterranean neighbours.

Men from Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece are all expected to be out and about having fun, sowing wild oats etc while young girls are not permitted the exact same freedoms. They are mostly, and officially OFF limits.

What religion you are here makes no difference it is merely the back up big stick to beat miscreants with.

It's very refreshing to hear someone talk about it openly actually, a few people I have worked with have admitted the same - and they strongly disapprove of the culture that has arisen - but as a white person I feel that I am 'not allowed' to speak of the experiences I see and hear every day.

And it's not everyone, of course it's not. But it is about how cultures grow up within cultures particularly when they come into conflict with opposing cultures.

I often hear non-British people reflect on these things better, tbh, as an 'outsider' they see things clearly and say it how it is - not in a racist way but in an observant way. We are so close to the issue it can be hard to see it for what it is sometimes.