Anni Dewani's murder - what could the motive be?

[Komondor]

I am aware that Shrien is innocent until proven guilty - but if he is proved guilty what are his motives?

From what I understand:

1. It is an arranged marriage (introduced by a cousin of Anni's), but not forced. It was up to the couple whether or not they married.

1. There is no life insurance on her life.

1. According to her father there was no dowry.

By all accounts she was a lovely person, and clearly very beautiful. Why would you want her killed on honeymoon?

what an unpleasant thread this is.

Unfortuately threads always get derailed by people who don't agree with them. I just don't understand why people who don't want to discuss the topic even bother to participate with those that do want to discuss it. Seems like a pointless waste of time to me.

Endeavour: you did say in the first place you were not being personal and I came back too sharpish.

This is the fourth or fifth thread, the first two at least were defamatory, one was taking dibs.. honestly I don't know why this lip smacking is so.inviting. Counting yourself better than the Sun is really a joke, you must see that. And sure, discuss away; I only came jack to say it wS in bad taste, which it is. Some of you wanted to stop abs e,pressing an opinion, I remember vaguely. Correct me if I am wrong.

Totally agree Endeavour.

OPs thread title couldn't be any clearer. If you think it's in bad taste and 'yuk' then just don't read the thread. By the way, this is a discussion forum, therefore you can expect lots of discussion!

One thing I should make clear appletrees is that I find the murder of this lovely lady starting the best part of her life so horrific.
I would have no problem accepting that is was just another brutal SA hijacking in our country. I think the factor that bothers me the most is why would her husband do it, what reason could he have to hate her so much when by all accounts she seemed to love him so much.I am hoping he is innocent because that would mean that a person can't be that heartless to go to dinner knowing the person you are having dinner with will be dead in hours indirectly by your hand.
I want to believe, because if he did it it is just another reminder of how bad the world is. I want to hope, because hope floats. But somehow I do not think it is going to turn out that way. So in the meantime discussing it doesn't hurt anyone but my own beliefs oin society

I don't want to talk about it. I don't understand people who do. This has been my contribution to "lots of discussion".

YOu still here?

Define who lol

Endeavour addressed me.

Endeavour, re your last post, well said.

I started this thread, because I'd been reading the papar and couldnt comprehend,if guilty, that a new husband could possibly commit such a crime against his lovely wife. It makes no sense to me.

I hope he's innocent too, although the alternative that Max Clifford is spinning of SA police setting up an innocent man, is just as horrendous.

don't think he did this murder.

no one can hire an unknown person and ask can you arrange someone to murder my wife or evensomebody unless he is a psychotic.Because he knows it is too risky to do.

one witness said she seen anni's dress was below the knee at the site but the police denied she was sexually asaulted.something missing here. SAP is hiding something.

it is very ususal for indian's to take US dollers to overseas and also you get high exchange rate outside than bank.very very common in india. i don't think anyother reason he went there to change the money..

Indian culture, divorce is very common . If he is a gay or any fight between them ,no need for him to kill her.He said even no to his exgirl friend who was a millionare, evenafter the engagement. So he can easily devorce Anni than killing her .he isnot going to get any benifit even financially becuase they were not legally married.

seen he gave the cash after anni's death.
because he travelled in the rental car, then this incident happened so there was no chance to pay. So he paid later.

Lawer hired- If any murder case there is a lot to handle. need to find out who murdered her. without the lawer it is too hard for him. May be his family arranged that for him.

chnaged his statments- may be anni also said to see the Real africa after the taxi man encouraged it.Also soonafter this incident like this do you think your brain can funtion normally for a wwhile. so any confused person tell different things.

Indian always wear jewelleries so this S.african taxi driver might have thought to take all from them. For Southafricans ,they lare indians not caucasians. so they think it is easy to urt them.

sms evidence-
if you book somebody to come at 7.30pm and if he was late, what do you do? you will call him and asked where are you. Also taxi driver purposly took them to a restaurent until his friends arrived to the scene. Then he might have sent a sms to him can we go now runnng late . But only thing if there was an sms regarding he placed the envelope behind the front seat. Then

somebody hijaked your wife, you seeing somebody trying to park, you can't shout call the police, you call that person excuse me call the police.

no sand/diry in the shirt- If you wear a new one, even if there were some dirt it won't show up much as dirty to southafricans.

I also was thinking he was the murderer. but evenafter that taximan hearing i am 100 perscent sure he is innocent .

I don't think it is a good ideea to go over there. They want to protect their country. poor Anni and Sehrin.

Probably Anne might have found that her husband was an impotent which Dewani might have been hiding for very long time from Anne. Fearing that Anne will reveal the truth to everyone and cause embarrassment to Dewani's family members and relatives he must have killed her. I am pretty much sure this could be the reason.

Niceguy2, Have you even been to SA to comment on the Justice System?

I find it difficult to comprehend how one can make judgment without facts, and i dont consider reading the tabloids as FACTS.

For one, Shrien is innocent until proven other wise, but i have heard of people being murdered for no good reason not only in SA but in the UK and in USA as well as other countries.

People were attacked and killed in Europe because they didnt like the football team that another supported.

Some are killed because they didnt like what the teacher said so they felt compelled to take a gun to school to teach everyone including fellow students a lesson.

And just as you all read the news paper and hear of all these killings that are over publisized all over the world aboth how SA is so dangerous, and that teh Justice system doesnt work, so too COULD Shrien of read and assumed that he could come here to SA and arrange this and get away with it.

If i have money i can get anything i want... Not only in SA, but that is a fact anywhere in the world.

Its not so far fetched that someone could ask another to do this especially when i have money and you know that the other needs this money.

I dont see why the Driver would accept a plea bargain of 18years thats like life for him... Doesnt make sense... He stands nothing to gain from it...

To all who looks at SA and talks about the crime stats... Look at your own back yard first and then judge. Our stats are not swept under the carpet like Other countries...

To the family of the victim i pass my condolences. I pray that who ever the person is, be caught, convicted and punished severely.

And my God deal with their soul accordingly

Well said DeezSA. South Africa doesnt try to hide its bad crime rate.
I dont think the SA police are trying to hide anything, they are just trying to solve the murder, is that such a bad thing.
Does anyone here really think that pinning ONE murder on someone who is not a South African is going to even make a blimp on the crime statistics, South Africa is not trying to save face. Why bother?
Is it that impossible to believe that just maybe our police are efficient?
As for the sexual assult angle perhaps they just set it up to look that way so it would fit in better with the normal Modus Operandi of a violent hijacking?
There are more questions than answers at this stage and the only person remaining to answer them is Mr Dewani

Totally agree Endeavour and DeezSA. Maybe he should stop believing everything Max Clifford tells him.

Oh geez, I think this story is going a bit South now. Just reading that The Sun is sayin there are rumours doing the round that he might be gay and didnt want to start a family and Anni found out. This is starting to sound like a bad movie. Hope The Sun has some facts to back that up with otherwise its a rather nasty accusation.

Appletrees - you may not come back on here, but I wanted to comment as to why this story is being so widely discussed. I understand your distaste at the disrespect you feel is being shown to a young woman who lost her life, but I believe that the discussion this case has elicited is because of more than that.

Terrible tragedies such as these occur around the world every minute of every day, and yet only a few become the story du jour.
And this is because there is another dynamic playing out here in addition to the one of a very sad loss of a young woman's life.

From the first reporting (particularly in the UK) the story very quickly became about the god-forsakeness of Africa, and the tabloids practically crowed with delight as they pointed at another example of lawlessness in SA (whilst reporting at the same time on equally random acts of violence taking place in the UK).

The public discourse then expanded from, firstly the event itself, to the reputation, perception and judgement of a country and a continent. If this terrible thing had happened entirely in the UK,or France, or Spain, it would be reported on but do you think it would receive the same level of attention and drama that this has? If Pierre had had Cecile murdered by a French taxi driver, would there be forums discussing it?

I believe that the UK papers' response to the Dewani case has revealed a Western viewpoint of Africa as a dark continent (a attitude which can be described as simplistic at best, and does so much damage to the development of the continent) and that consequently all crime is not equally heinous, its far worse if carried out by poor Africans as opposed to wealthy Europeans.

The Dewani case is getting such attention because European papers can't seem to believe that one of their own may be involved in something they had initially thought was committed only by Africans (therefore making it more heinous by definition iyswim).

It is this that is shocking Europeans, and irritating the crap out of South Africans, and why there is so much extra discussion about the case.

II apologise for the length of this post, and am not sure how well I have articulated my thoughts on this - but I wanted to try and explain why I have something to say about this matter. I am obviously South African.

I totally see your point Rycie, but I do sometimes think Africans are very sensitive. We're very used to Europeans being implicated in murders and other crimes.

I think this crime would have had the publicity anywhere in the world. I recall there was a murder/ disappearance in the Australian outback, with the girlfriend implicated as she was having an affair, and this was talked about everywhere. This was because the circumstances were mysterious, and the couple were young and good looking.

I think if Anni and Shrien were middle aged, not as good looking, and had been married say 20 years, the interest would not be as great.

Ok so he got his bail but the noose does seem to be tightening round his neck slowly but surely, I have copied and pasted the news extract below. Wonder how Max Clifford is going to worm his way out of this one!\

Sources who have viewed the high-resolution CCTV video said Dewani walks into the room "with a little plastic bag" in his hand. Tongo walks in next and is handed the plastic bag by Dewani.

The taxi driver then sticks the plastic bag under his clothes and goes into the toilet. Police believe this is where Tongo counted the money. Dewani leaves the room after Tongo goes to the toilet.

Komodore, I dont think Africans are sensitive, just in this case defensive of their country taking so much flack for no valid reason besides our crime rate. Mr Dewani's family has called us mass murderers etc etc, a bit unfair IMPO

Lets hope they can produce all this evidence.

Im keeping an open mind, still.

It's looking ever more doubtful for him.

Regarding motive, my mum puts the possible motive (if guilty) as Shrien and Anni not spending much time together before getting engaged/marrying; and Shrien found Anni to be too much her own person after.

If he did arrange the killing, my mum thinks he would be very egotistical prefering to arrange her death to a divorce. Regarding an intelligent person arranging such a crime, she thought he may be very arrogant, believing he could get away with it. Terribly cold blooded, if true.

Endeavour, I agree with your point on South Africa's defending their country. I was just trying to say that I dont think the worldwide publicity is related to it being in South Africa.

Man, I would love to know why the British tabloids hate SA so much. It's bizarre - remember all the hoo ha before the world cup? All the stuff about potential earthquakes and snake attacks ?

My one regret around this whole thing is not getting to hear English newsreporters trying to get their tongue around names like Mngeni and Qwabe (don't have TV at home)

And - also getting so much flak for the crime rate, which is caused by a small group of people (not the whole country), and which has affected every South African, in some way or another in quite terrible ways (e.g. cousin's best friend raped and murdered, cousin herself held up at gun point a number of times)