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Good Luck Kate Moss!

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Toothache · 21/09/2005 13:29

I know you've been bad girl. And I know you've been caught snorting charlie..... but FWIW I think you are being made a scapegoat for what is a massive problem in the UK in general, nevermind in showbiz circles......

Hope you can brush yourself down, wipe the powder from your nostrils, hold your head high and get back on your feet.

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compo · 22/09/2005 10:41

but it's up to her if she wants to make money on the back of it isn't it? I certainly wouldn't 'pillor' her for it. And she ain't my idol

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:45

Expat - I just accept that there are certain levels of drug taking (dabbling recreationally to dying with a needle sticking out your last vein)!!! You don't seem to be able to fathom that concept.

What has this thread got to do with your cervix?

I'm sure she will make a fortune selling her story! And who will buy it????? Thats the right.... THE PUBLIC who see fit to condem her!

Ironic isn't it.

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monkeytrousers · 22/09/2005 10:56

Just imagine if god was real..Christ he'd get it in the neck.

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:57

Ooooooo Controversial MT!

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monkeytrousers · 22/09/2005 11:07

The money she earns she's obviously someone's idol, Compo or more accurately, beauty is. That's what she represents doesn't she, regardless of whether you think she's pretty or not she personifies beauty today. That's what supermodels do. Maybe it's the thought of beauty or innocence spoiled that gets everyone in a tizz.

Enid · 22/09/2005 11:20

look havent you all read my post? Believe in the Enid, it is what will happen. Now go away and start worrying about something else.

Rhubarb · 22/09/2005 11:21

If someone is in the public eye, and uses the media to their own advantages i.e. take a picture of me upstaging the bride at a wedding! Take my photo with my new boyfriend! Announce the birth of my daughter! Take my picture looking beautiful on the beach! Then they also have to take it on the nose when the media takes other photos too. You cannot manipulate the media and not expect them to do the same back, she should have learnt from all the others before her who have fallen by the wayside.

Sorry, but when you opt for that kind of job, you cannot edit the media so that only the good bits of your life are ever shown. The public are interested in every part of celebrities, good and bad, it's all part of the territory.

I agree that it is very hypocritical. I knew an independant film director who told me that the BBC are all snorting coke! It's the executive thing now! I feel sorry for her child, just like I feel sorry for any children of drug-taking parents. It's like alcoholism, sooner or later the drug comes first and foremost in your life.

I also think that with so many celebs taking coke, they are turning the drug into a fashionable thing. It's the drug to be seen with, the drug to take! The media are as much to blame for that as the takers, for highlighting it so often. I just hope that Kate Moss's fall from grace might prove as an example of what could happen to your life if you abuse these substances. I hope so.

bundle · 22/09/2005 11:24

bloody hell rhubarb, not this bit of the beeb!

Marina · 22/09/2005 11:25

Nor the bit where my sister compiles radio bulletins for buttons hiding behind a curtain under the stairs Rhuby

Rhubarb · 22/09/2005 11:26

Obviously not the dregs of the BBC!

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 11:26

But Rhubarb, drug taking doesn't always progress onto drug addiction..... as many MNer's have shown. Many took drugs in their young and careless youth..... I don't think any MNer's went onto say they developed a serious drug addiction as a result.

I know it happens (obviously), but its not inevitable.... that's all.

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Caligula · 22/09/2005 11:30

I once worked in an ad agency and two blokes got sacked for taking coke in a bar at an agency party.

An e-mail went round which was very stern along the lines of "we don't condone this, we don't think it's funny, we don't think it's big or clever, if anyone is caught bringing this agency into disrepute, they will be sacked, no exceptions, no excuses. It's in your contracts, so don't think you'll be able to sue for unfair dismissal, either."

A follow up e-mail went round from our section fuhrer, along the lines of "boy this is a heavy e-mail isn't it, remember they've got to send e-mails like this because apparantly taking coke is illegal, so whatever you get up to when you're partying, don't get caught doing anything illegal".

Totally undermined the first e-mail, but was pretty typical of agency culture. The message really was everyone's doing it, you're only an arsehole if you get the sack for it.

Cam · 22/09/2005 11:32

I wish KM was fashionable, cocaine is so 1980's, although when I was a teenager in the 70's I came across quite a few young aristos who took it (presumably only they could afford it in those days)

bundle · 22/09/2005 11:33

dh knows quite a lot of people in tv who are regular, heavy users, and finds them dull dull dull

Rhubarb · 22/09/2005 11:35

No, I agree, it's not inevitable. Most of us give up by the time we have settled down and had children, the fact that Kate Moss didn't, and by the amount she took, I would say that she is addicted.

For some people it's fine and they see it as harmless fun, they can stop when they want and they look on those days with fondness. For others it becomes a spiralling nightmare which affects everyone around them. Just because you were ok, doesn't mean to say that you cannot see the point of view of those who were not ok.

Like alcohol, I can see how easy it would be for me personally to become addicted. I have heard about family break-ups because of it. For this reason I would never say that drinking is harmless, or that everyone drinks so that's ok. It's a drug like anything else, it can tear people apart, and yes the world would probably be a better place without it.

JoolsToo · 22/09/2005 11:40

I never saw the fascination with Russian Roulette

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 11:47

Rhubarb - I can see and have seen the destructive power of drug taking. I just was trying to illustrate to Expat that it isn't always this massive issue that consumes your whole life and ruins the life of those around you. I was merely trying to offer some perspective.

You're right though, she took faaaaaar too much for it to have been an occasional dabbling.

I have a friend who has a 7 yr old dd. Her dd stays with her sister every Saturday night (her sister has 3 kids). Its been the routine since her dd was a toddler.

On that Saturday night she sees it as her night to let her hair down..... and she will go clubbing and take whatever recreational drug takes her fancy (probably speed). On Sunday teatime she picks up her dd and life carries on as normal. Her dd sees nothing and is not affected by it at all..... I don't think she deserves to have her dd taken away from her and I don't think she is a terrible parent.

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 11:47

.... should have said, I don't condone this..... but who am I to condone anything!

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Rhubarb · 22/09/2005 11:53

I would just worry in case something happened to me and then my kids might not see me again. You could say this is like walking down the street every day, but with drug-taking you are deliberately putting yourself in that situation. Unless you trust your dealer implicity, you never really know what is in that speed. If it was the pure drug it would be a damnsight better, but it's all the other crap they fill it out with.

How many experience drug dealers have overdosed by accident? It happens all the time, and I pity the kids who have to be told that mummy or daddy died because they took drugs. Where does that leave them?

JoolsToo · 22/09/2005 11:59

it may not be inevitable - Leah Betts or Lorna Spinks may never have got hooked on Ecstasy - but they never got the chance to find out

"[She] was so, so pretty and when she was dying, she looked like a monster who had been run over by a truck

Lorna's mother Elizabeth Spinks"

when it all goes wrong

monkeytrousers · 22/09/2005 12:15

Oh please not more hysteria about ecstacy. It is a personal tradgedy for these families but they shouldn't be held up as typical. Fact - millions of people take ecstacy every week in the UK and are not harmed. Fact - you are more likely to die in an electric blanket fire than from taking ecstacy.

If more people took ecstacy rather than alcahol there would probably not be such a disorder problem in our city centres caused by binge drinking.

JoolsToo · 22/09/2005 12:22

oh - thats alright then

noddyholder · 22/09/2005 12:30

my dp is in recovery and would never speak like this about others not as fortunate as him I don't think I have EVER heard anyone in AA or NA call other addicts losers etc

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 12:35

Joolstoo - No it's not all right! But if you look at the number of people that take ecstacy compared to those that have died as a result then the risk is, in fact, tiny. I'm not going to quote figures here or pretend to know any stats, coz I don't.

However, if I found out that one of my Brothers (both teenagers) was taking E I would go mental at them! I would be scared that they would be the 1 in a million that was given a dodgy one.

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lunarx · 22/09/2005 12:42

v. true Noddyholder... i hope your dp is doing well!!

i think Kate has made her bed, now time to lay in it... i dont think she is a loser, but someone with a problem and hopefully this will be her rock bottom to force her to look at her life. and FFS, she has a kid!

sigh...