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Good Luck Kate Moss!

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Toothache · 21/09/2005 13:29

I know you've been bad girl. And I know you've been caught snorting charlie..... but FWIW I think you are being made a scapegoat for what is a massive problem in the UK in general, nevermind in showbiz circles......

Hope you can brush yourself down, wipe the powder from your nostrils, hold your head high and get back on your feet.

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:12

OO - Hard work eh? But I have more endurance than you!

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bundle · 22/09/2005 10:12

let it go olive, breaaaththeee

expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:15

How is not feeling sorry for folks who wreck their lives, the lives of everyone who cares about them and don't try to end that type of behaviour seen as bitter?

No, no one wants to be a junkie/alcoholic/cokehead. But trying to get someone who is and doesn't think they have a problem to change is like trying to get blood out of a stone. I know, I tried.

And honestly, I don't see what's 'bitter' or 'uncompassionate' about finally concluding, 'Okay, you have a problem. But you don't see that. So there's nothing anyone can do for you until you decide you've had it and want to move on?'

I see a LOT of things as black and white that I used to over-complicate to the point where I lost relationships, jobs, friends, a house, a car, had a bankrupcy, picked up HPV and wound up w/abnormal cells on my cervix.

Once I cut the drama, and stopped making excuses for why I abused substances, it was possible to go to AA and say, 'My name is . . . and I'm an alcoholic.'

monkeytrousers · 22/09/2005 10:15

Expat, my posts on that thread were specifically about the US administration, a distinction you consistently had problems recognising.

I'm not a big fan of Freud either really which is why you'd never catch me referring to any psychoanalytical psychobabble as you call it. Self-loathing and self-medication are very broad terms and not attached to any such school of pseudo-science.

And why are you being so reactionary? You?ve been picking some strange battles and have had a very itchy trigger finger these past few weeks Expat.

expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:17

Er, Toothache, nowhere did I ever ponder why people use drugs. Or care, b/c it doesn't really matter for hte most part.

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:17

Expat - Has KM been told she has a problem but doesn't accept that or want help? I'm lost.... who are we talking about now????

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expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:17

Pots' callling kettle black there, monkeytrousers.

oliveoil · 22/09/2005 10:18

Yawn

expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:18

Toothache, when a person uses to the point where they start doing it in public places and start losing work b/c of it, I think it's fair to say they're skating on thin ice as far as it just being recreational.

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:18

My point Expat is that you seem to compare every situation with drink/drugs as the same as your situation with your alcohol addiction! IT'S NOT ALWAYS THAT SERIOUS!

Sheeeeeeeesh.

I'm with you Olive.....

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expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:19

Yes, yawn, oliveoil. Quite right.

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:20

I used it in public places. Only reason I didn't lose my job was because nobody put a photo of me in the paper! Doesn't mean I was on the slippery slope..... just means I didn't get caught.

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expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:20

If I lost millions of pounds worth of work b/c of using, I'd start to think it was serious.

But that's just me.

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:20

OI YOU LOT.... IF IT's SOOOOOOOO BORING THEN BUGGER OFF ONTO THE "SUN" THREAD!

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:22

She lost the contracts because she got caught by the media. What if that had been the one and only time in her entire life that she had snorted coke (I know it isn't but.. ). Would that still mean in your black and white head that she had a serious Coke Addiction???

Honestly Expat.... you have a strange perception of things sometimes.

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expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:22

Whatever, Toothache. This has become unsufferably dull. TTFN.

oliveoil · 22/09/2005 10:23

My dh has a spiff occasionally of an evening when the children are upstairs at the other end of the house, shall I phone the police?

compo · 22/09/2005 10:23

how do you know she doesn't think it's serious?

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:24

That is SO typical Expat. I raised a valid point that you cannot really do anything other than agree.... so you walk away with an intelligent whatever!

Hmmm...

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expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:25

B/c you're like talking to a brick wall, Toothache. So why bother? You have your opinion, and I have mine.

oliveoil · 22/09/2005 10:26

thank god for that

monkeytrousers · 22/09/2005 10:26

The more you talk about it Expat the more it sound to me like you describing depression, which makes arseholes of us all! It is true though, I find the people most affronted by people with depression are those who still suffer from it..

And, sorry but I don't understand your point in your 10.15 post. Are you saying stress caused you to get abnormal cells on your cervix?

expatinscotland · 22/09/2005 10:26

You will continue to see as harmless fun. I can't anymore.

Sheesh!

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Toothache · 22/09/2005 10:27

Thats what I get for having the staying power to try to reason with you!!!

OO I should've walked away whilst I had the chance..... but I just have that kind of addictive nature.

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oliveoil · 22/09/2005 10:27

Anyyywayyyyyy, do you think she will get anymore future ad work? There was a woman on C4 news yesterday that reckoned she would be back within 6 months! Can't see it myself.