Good Luck Kate Moss!

[Toothache]

I know you've been bad girl. And I know you've been caught snorting charlie..... but FWIW I think you are being made a scapegoat for what is a massive problem in the UK in general, nevermind in showbiz circles......

Hope you can brush yourself down, wipe the powder from your nostrils, hold your head high and get back on your feet.

Think whatever you want, soph. Until you've been there, you'll never know. And I sure hope you never do find out.

Being nearly killed doesn't give a person the right to anything - I never said it did. It's my opinion and I had that right long before Cokehead/Murderer showed up. Substance abuse is for losers. And I'm not excluding myself from that at all.

expat you are extremely uncompassionate considering you have been an addict yourself I live with an alcoholic who has been in recovery for 14 years and I would be very shocked to hear him call addicts losers etc It is a huge but doable task to beat addiction and everyone deserves a chance

Drugs aren't produced in a lovely little cottage industry where the employees have first-class working conditions - anyone who buys and/or takes drugs contributes to the violence and hideous working conditions surrounding the whole industry. I hope Kate Moss manages to get help but I'm not sorry for her that she has been exposed and has lost her contracts. Maybe she has to reach her "rock bottom" before she will change her life-style. I just hope she doesn't have to go any further down the scale.

All this was described on TV this morning as ' the overnight collapse of Kate Mosses career'.

I don't think so somehow. She must have millions tucked away and I'm sure that she will lie low for a while, go into rehab, get clean, then come right back with the old "I beat drugs now I want to educate the yoof" malarkey.

And there you go - role model once again.

Didnt Kate become famous for looking "heroin chic" in calvin klien ads?My prob with her is that she is glorifying the use of coke,how irresponsible is that.Hope she doesnt leave it lying around where her daughter can find it.

In the news this morning... 4 more labels dropped Kate Moss.
Good.
I'm pleased.
That's the way it should be.

As flutterbee says, we shouldn't condone this behaviour from one of our supposed 'role-models'.

BF went to a school meeting yesterday.
8 year olds, having a discussion.
3 parents invited to watch.
'what do you want to be , when you grow up' ?

A fireman ? A nurse ?
no, no - how out of touch is that.

The boys wanted to be a professional footballer.

The girls wanted to be "famous".
They wanted to be "Kate Moss".
When asked why, they said, because she is famous.
What is she famous for, they were asked.
No one knew.
"She's just famous, I want to be like her"

Oh dear !!!!!

Sure they do, noddy. When they decide to stop! If you're habit is so bad that you no longer care if you get caught out and lose your job, and that's still not enough of a wake up call, what is?

I have compassion for people who decide enough is enough and they no longer want to be slaves to substances. And for the families and loved ones of those who are addicted.

But for those who think it's cool? No, sorry, I don't have much sympathy. I used to think getting smashed every night was cool, but it was loser and dumb.

I also smoked. But even now, I wouldn't expect people to feel sympathetic and compassionate towards me if I got lung cancer from it. I knew damn well it caused disease and that wasn't enough to stop me for years and years.

Exactly, Poofie, I've already posted along those lines twice, but when I post, I'm automatically pilloried as being 'unsupportive' and 'uncompassionate' b/c I don't feel sorry for millionnaires who use.

Spent too long in S. America myself to think that coke is just a harmless recreational drug. It's a multi-billion dollar industry which traps tens of millions in abject poverty and has cost the lives of many thousands of innocent people. Not to mention the lives of the users it wrecks - and their loved ones as well.

Sort of like heroin, the sale of which supports Al-Queda. I never knew that until I became pals with a doctor from the northern part of India.

Expat - There are many subjects that I feel as passionately against as you feel about drugs..... but really.... ramming this down throats isn't going to change opinions and it doesn't invalidate every one elses opinions. Its clear how you feel!

Bellajade - As far as I know KM hasn't mentioned anything about Cocaine. She was snorting it at a private party. Thats hardly 'glorifying' it! I could understand your point of view if she was on TV saying that she loves Coke and it keeps her thin..... that would be glorifying it. But unless I've missed something on the news.... she hasn't actually spoken out about it at all!

She doesn't deserve to be supprted to the hilt though, imo, toothache.

She wasn't willingly glorifying, but in reality she was in the front of the newspaper snorting coke (bad luck or stupidity, I don't know!)for all to see.

I and I believe most here don't know her personally. If she is a nice person, I wish her all the best. She seems to be doing the right thing and is just keeping quiet, so the dust will settle.

However, tothache, do you really wish that the society at large keep using her image to sell products? I think is one of the rare moments where these companies are living up to their social obligations, and I am glad.

I am sure whomever knows her, including these companies, know them well that she used drugs. They, probably did not care was she does in the privacy of her life. But, if it is the newspaper, is not private anymore, is it?

That's it - drug education is all about harm reduction and warning kids of the physical dangers, but there's very little about the crime that even minor drugs support, the poverty, the exploitation. the murders and the activities that drug trafficking funds. If you follow the chain back from the line of coke or the joint and it ain't pretty - why anyone would want to be part of that and fund it, is beyond me.

Teeavee - I'm certainly not supporting her to the hilt!
It was stupid.... not evil or treacherous.... just stupid!

We've all done stupid things (well actually from what I've read on MN there are people that have never done a stupid thing in their lives HA!)......

I certainly don't think she deserves to have her child taken from her. Thats just hysterical! She was recreationally taking drugs... at a party. Lets get that into perspective. She wasn't holding some shopkeeper up at gunpoint to get money to 'feed her habit'.

Incidentally, it is possible to take cocaine and other recreational drugs and not be addicted to them. May be she is an addict, I don't know. But to be labelled a junky who is so bad that she deserves to have her child taken away is just SO OTT and I'm glad that some people on MN are not working in a profession that would decide that!

But surely you should feel compassion for others regardless.The fact that someone decides to sort themselves out doesn't mean they are any better than those who are still using They have just come to their senses quicker and it is different for everyone My brother was addicted to heroin and has now been clean 7 years but I would never call him a loser then or now The reasons why people abuse substances are wide and varied and to label them all losers is a very sweeping statement.But you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine There are plenty of people addicted to prescribed drugs

Cottage industry, no it isn?t, PoofieWuddle?but neither is the clothes industry. Delve into how H&M get their clothes made and you?ll probably not like what you find there either. That?s the way big business works and drugs are just another facet of that, like it or not. Why are we all suddenly Victorian when it comes to drugs Like the world that we live in isn?t all morally suspect!

Expat your lack of understanding for people in a similar situation to yourself is very saddening. Surely to get to the point of rock bottom (and hence make your way back up again) you have to go through all the crap before it and be an arrogant selfish arsehole. People rarely self medicate to such an extent because they enjoy it, it?s usually and escape of some sorts. You can project all your very clearly articulated self loathing onto others in the same situation or bitterness that no one reached out to help or understand you when you needed it, but two wrongs don?t make a right, I?m afraid. That kind of logic just perpetuates misery throughout generations.

Most of the comments about Moss seem to be fed by just the same contempt I feel. She?s not ugly, she?s stuning, she wouldn?t be a supermodel if she wasn?t. Kate Moss being stunningly pretty doesn?t make me feel somehow inferior to her, especially as her lifestyle illustrates what an empty vessel she and her cohorts truly are. And Kate Moss didn?t invent ?heroin chic? the fashion industry did! If you want to project your bile at something then throw it at that. She?s just a cog in the wheel FGS. The industry wouldn?t survive without cocaine.

And just a thought, not everyone who takes drugs becomes a drug addict as not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic or anyone who eats cakes becomes a compulsive overeater. Something in our lives is causing these conditions and looking for a scapegoat won?t make anyone of us any happier.

MT - My sentiments exactly.

Very bad grammer,sorry. Sentence should read..I feel most of the comments about Moss seem to be fed by contempt

Yes Toothy. Same sentiments

blimey is this still rattling on

Look, she's loaded, she'll be fine, of course she'll lose some work for a while but she'll end up being some sort of fricking national heroine once she comes out of rehab and after Pete Doherty snuffs it she'll be on Richard and Judy like the new Diana.

Please don't waste too much compassion on Kate Moss.

Yes, monkeytrousers, I remember all your compassionate posts about the Hurricane Katrina victims. Such understanding, charitable comments on that one.

What's with all the pscyhobabble, though? Self-medicate, self-loathing? Huh? It's pretty black and white to me, with no psychoanalysis required: whatever the reasons a person becomes a substance abuser, it's still a losing game. When rock bottom occurs, whenver it does, if it ever does, that's when there should be compassion. Nothing happens until you decide, if ever. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

And luck? Man, I sure hope it comes and finds some of those who were born in the Columbian mountains, cuz they sure as hell can use it a lot more than Kate. Some luck dust to the unluckies of Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, too, where 110 people have been murdered in drug cartel violence this year.

nuevo laredo

enid is so right! and Toothache, I see where you're coming from now! (hadn't read the whole, thread you see)

nothing is ever black and white Why are you so bitter?You overcame your alcoholism but you are so down on those who aren't there yet.No one starts out with the intention of becoming an addict as I'm sure you didn't but the substances themselves are addictive

Er Expat... many people drink/take recreational drugs/smoke for no other reason than experimenting and having fun! I didn't take speed because I had hit rock bottom.... nor did it start me on the slippery slope to serious addiction. It was fun, it was irresponsible and when I left the student lifestyle behind I left that behind.

NH - Thats a good point! For someone who has overcome an addiction you are very harsh on people that you have SOOOOOOOOO much in common with.

Does anyone know if KM is addicted to Cocaine? Or does she just snort it occasionally at parties. BIG difference.

Am losing the will to live, walk away from the thread olive, walk away from the thread.