Teachers' salaries, qualifications and sick leave to be published

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"I wish they would publish where doctors trained and when they qualified"

They do, Want2b. It's called the GMC register and you can look it up online. It'll give you the instition they graduated from and the year they joined the register. For what it's worth.

Here you go.

'If the headteacher can't manage their school ofsted normally picks up on it pretty quickly.'

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Tether, SEN generally exist because of poor teaching.That's the whole point.

moondog, the SEN of the kids I work with have not been caused by poor teaching. SEN is an all encompassing term.

Children with SEN who make excellent progress when they have access to excellent specialist teaching does not equate to SEN existing due to poor teaching.

Wow - that is great. Thank you for the link.

'SEN generally exist because of poor teaching' OMG you honestly have no idea, none at all. Some SEN is down to poor parenting, but that is another thread.

Tis not the publishing of qualifications, sick days, or pay that worries me, but the plan to get rid of the national pay scales, I read this as how to get away with paying teachers as little as possible.. hope I'm wrong.

The big emphasis on published attendance tables for pupils has already made my children's life a misery by turning their headteachers against them as something that damages them in the eyes of the world. No way do I want to see their teachers treated the same fashion.

moondog Tue 09-Nov-10 21:24:23

"Academies??
Bring them on to.Fantastic."

We did.

And the GSCE pass rate plummeted.

Behaviour at an all time low. Despite the academy in question expelling as many pupils in a year as the rest of the city's schools together.

Oh, and over 20 staff, including a highly qualified and specially recruited head, resigning within the first few months.

Ds tells me that not a single pupil in his year has put this school down as a choice on their application form despite it being the only catchment school.

So I for one will not be the first in line.

moondog Tue 09-Nov-10 22:07:48

"Tether, SEN generally exist because of poor teaching.That's the whole point."

Oh good-oh! So if I get a tutor in, ds will no longer have SN? That is such good news!

But what silly doctors to tell us his condition is incurable! Well, well, well, all we needed was you to put us right! And I take it he will be able to walk and hold a pen too? And never again be in too much pain to concentrate? Can you perhaps recommend a good school that will do all this for us?

And the little girl with Downs syndrome and the autistic boy and the girl who was brain damaged at birth and the other girl who has Aspergers and the one whose speech was delayed by poor hearing- I can't wait to tell your parents that you've solved all their problems!

Though thinking about it, it's interesting that their difficulties were caused by bad teaching seeing that the same problems were apparent long before they went to school: do you think they anticipated that they would come across bad teachers and developed these SN just in case?

Now I really have heard it all. I really hope moondog home educates.

I'm actually quite @ moondogs comments - is she a SALT? Don't SALT's seen children with all manner of reasons for needing helping

Publishing these things is pretty pointless (as I cannot comment on the SEN stuff) as half the parents won't be able to interpret them to any significant degree and the other half who can will probably find that they don't live in the catchment area of the school anyway.

'SEN generally exist because of poor teaching'

Moondog - that is just ridiculous. I have a lot of time for you and often agree with you but think this comment is insulting on so may levels, to children, to to the parents of SEN children and to teachers. Appalling.

Cory - lady, you speaketh sense!

Wanders off shaking her head.

Wanders back - on and by the way -

PRM will just lead to an outpouring of staff from 'poorer' catchments: who will choose to teach in the inner cities, when they will be measured against the same GCSE criteria as the school down the road with no free school meals and all children able to speak, read, write etc before they arrive? Some people have dedicated their careers to trying to help the most disadvantaged pupils - just because they are not all getting A*s does not mean that these teachers and kids are rubbish. Good God.

Stomps off in an even more foul mood.

Teachers' salaries are publicly available anyway. It's no secret. Publishing sick leave wouldn't be right. You would need to know more about the context to make any sense of it.

Re qualifications - why? It is highly unlikely anyone lied about their qualifications. It isn't hard to find out what qualifications are required.

I'm with Belligerent Ghoul. I work in an area of high social deprivation. I teach children with home lives that would make your hair curl. In addition, one third of my year 11 class (one of my performance managment groups of course) arrived in the UK less than 12 months ago. So not only do they not speak English well (and I am not at all proficient in the 5 languages they speak between them), but they also missed at least part of the first year of Key Stage 4. Two have arrived since the start of this year. To suggest that it is simply my teaching that influences whether they achieve as well as the children in the leafy lanes schools is just plain wrong.

Thanks - sounds v similar to ours.

Just noticed that I said PRM - I meant PRP - but actually the feeling I have right now is akin to PMT!

me 2:1
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yes dont see why this is news
i can tell you everyones salary at work

ha moondog you are SERIOUSLY deluded re academies

OUR money spent on starting doing pay roll, buyign insurance, reducing the ecomoies of scales for EG governor services provide by doing it all for an area.

I wonder if there has been any research done into a correlation between educational achievement and teaching quality.

god dont - youll get xenia on to it

Deffo deluded re academies. Our money seems to be spent on useless 'training days' where you sit for six hours at great expense and come out having learned nothing.

me - 2:1 hons BA / high AST scale

madonna, I feel there must be some. The IoE (D ylan W in partocular) goes on about the most important thing being the quality of the teacher.

Why are people listing their quals an dpay? You saddos.

becuase its no secret
you gooogle " teachers pay scale"
work out how long theyve worked for
Job done