Please sign this petition: 3 teens walked out with just 80 hrs community service after torturing an autistic boy for 3 days

[chandra]

Just seen this in another thread, but thought of starting another one with a "more to the point title" in order to attract more attention.

From the Daily Mail (I know..):
Evil teenagers who 'tortured' autistic boy, 17, for three days free to roam streets after judge fails to lock them up

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319575/3-evil-bullies-tortured-autistic-boy-17-walk-free-Manchester-court.html

National Autistic Society campaign

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Mencap:
e-activist.com/ea-campaign/clientcampaign.do?ea.client.id=78&ea.campaign.id=8108&ea.param.ext

Thank you.

" The NAS was most certainly not complacent afterwards and aren't complacent now."

Their chief executive promised to publish the report. So far as I know, he hasn't. We would be able to see they weren't complacent if they published the review of the changes they made, as they said they would.

The whole place was closed down. That's far from complacent.

I don't like the NAS. That though has fuck all to do with this thread and bitching about them, on here, is a pointless distraction.

The antecedent of those saying 'this is outrageous' matter not a flying fuck.
If you don't like the NAS sign a different one. Or don't.

Programme on tonight on BBC1 about the bullying of those with Learning Disabilities

Thanks Lottie.

I've signed it but I don't think it'll make a jot of difference

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Rosa Monckton's final words on 'Tormented Lives', about the bullying of those with disabilities, shown on BBC1 tonight, seem particularly relevant to this thread:

"Attacks against disabled people must be taken much more seriously by the police, the culprits prosecuted and the victims protected against reprisals. Those who can't live independently need access to safe communities they call home.

Brutal intolerance of disability is an indictment of our society and we must all share responsibility for starting to change it."

On Twitter, Rosa Monckton asks us to "spare a thought for those too scared of repercussions to participate."

Done

Have signed the petition.

The judge has shown a reprehensible lack of judgement. He's surely in the wrong job.

"The judge has shown a reprehensible lack of judgement. He's surely in the wrong job."

Yes, all he did was see all the evidence and read the sentencing reports. How much easier to reach an opinion based on a paragraph in the newspaper, which makes actually bothering to have trials and stuff unnecessary.

You seem to have an issue about this.

First it was the NAS you didn't like. Now you don't think anyone is allowed to express a view except the judge..

There is a mechanism in a democracy to question sentencing. And sign NAS petitions. Even if you don't like it

I think claiming that the judge is "in the wrong job" on the basis of a single newspaper report (oh, did people read the court transcripts?) is actually more a risk to the democracy you're so keen to invoke. The legal system needs less, not more, mob rule. Allowing judges, who have seen the evidence, plus courts of appeal, ditto, will sometimes throw up anomalies. Which is really bad, except for all the alternatives. Do you think sentences should be set on the basis of a public vote, in which assorted special interest groups demand heads on sticks?

I think a lot of women have challenged judges' rulings in rape cases on similar grounds though.
Mob rule would mean the three involved being found on a bit of Salford wasteland, anonymously beaten to death.
Rather than a civilised petition saying 'Excuse me but...'

Of course they shouldn't.
Butthere is a mechanism whereby sentences deemed to be overly lenient may be reviewed which seems sensible unless you prescribe to the notion that there should be no room whatsoever to question the actions of any judge at any time?

But if this was your primary point I wonder that you started by attacking the NAS before moving on to 'judges should never be challenged' secondary argument.
Do you have a third ready?

Signed the Mencap one.

The NAS and the issue of judges having seen the evidence are linked. Quite a lot of people would think that a low-security hospital with trips to the cinema and a regular supply of pornography was a lenient sentence for killing your brother and chopping his arm off. Indeed, quite a lot of people would think "it's because I'm autistic" was a weak defence for following the murder and dismemberment of your brother with the rape of a 14 year old, and that being sent to another hospital was not much of a punishment. Perhaps you and the NAS would like to start a petition?

Well, the answer is that in both cases, the judge saw the evidence, and the CPS didn't think it appropriate to appeal the sentence. In which case, that's pretty much an end of it, and rightly so.

"Perhaps you and the NAS would like to start a petition?"

I have already said I am no fan ofthe NAS so that isn'ttoo likely is it?

So I have a better idea. Why don't you go and start a thread about all your issues and people can ponder your concerns about the NAS and the case you cite.
Rather than hijacking someone elses thread.

Because the way your comments read it sounds as if you are tryingto minimise what happened to the poor boy in this case by linking it to somethingthat has nothing to do with him. It almost seems tit for tat which is quite tasteless really.
And I am sure not what you intend

There is an update on the situation here.

To summarise, only certain sentences are entitled to be reviewed - disability hate crime is not one of them, although racially motivated hate crime is. As a result, the Attorney General is not able to intervene, although the NAS are still meeting with him to discuss this case and the wider issue of disability hate crime.

If you feel strongly about this, I have started another thread here, asking people to sign the new NAS/Mencap petition against disability hate crime. Mencap is also asking people to send in their personal stories of bullying against those with learning disabilities.

signed the mencap one.
Poor lad ,hope he can recover and live a happy life.

done. would it be unwise to say on here that I'd like to kneecap those bastards?

Am I the only person who thinks that the judges decision should be left to stand otherwise you undermine judicial independence.