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Disability benefits should be cut

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benandoli · 06/10/2010 08:45

OK so if a family has a child with a disability which results in that family having extra costs then they should have disability benefit and use the money to cover those costs. I am sure that many families in this situation should receive more. However, can someone please explain to me why a family who have a child with a disability, adhd or autism for example , where extra costs do not result , where the earning potential of the family has not changed as a result or indeed where the family never worked anyway should receive extra funds courtesy of the tax payer. Also why should parents in this situation receive a carers allowance and then work less hours as a result of the allowance rather than as a result of the caring that needs to be done? Many families are well deserving I know and they should probably get more, but many are working the system and getting their kids over diagnosed.

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Mumi · 06/10/2010 08:48

"a family who have a child with a disability, adhd or autism for example , where extra costs do not result , where the earning potential of the family has not changed as a result or indeed where the family never worked anyway"

You're sure about that, are you?

LadyintheRadiator · 06/10/2010 08:49

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Lauriefairycake · 06/10/2010 08:49

It's very difficult to find childcare for a child with extra needs so most times a parent cannot work.

That's your argument shat on already HmmGrin

Next!

ShinyHappyPeopleHoldingHands · 06/10/2010 08:52

Ha ha ha

Nice to sit in an ivory tower content in the knowledge that the f*ck fairy has not visited your life and given you a child with (not necessarily VISIBLE) severe SN to deal with for the rest of it!

Do I sound bitter?

Whatever!

martini82 · 06/10/2010 08:54

obviously you dont have any real knowledge as to what living with a child with ADHD/Autism is like, let alone helping and supporting a child with these conditions.

i bet ignorance is bliss in ur world!

benandoli · 06/10/2010 08:54

I did not mean all children with ADHD or autism. In fact many families with such children deserve more and the families who over diagnose are the ones who make the genuine cases suffer more.

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benandoli · 06/10/2010 08:55

and if a family has never worked why should they be compensated for lost earnings.

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Hangingbellyofbabylon · 06/10/2010 08:55

Where extra costs do not result? therapies, equipment - and yes even children with Autism need this stuff too.

This week I have had to find £500 for a new walking frame for my daughter, £60 for shoes to fit over her splints. £20/week for conductive education and £20/2 weeks for hydrotherapy. The NHS cannot/will not fund the stuff she needs. I used to be a teacher but had to give up my job because teaching is incredibly inflexible and would not have allowed me the time off I needed for physio appointments etc. And also to give my daughter the specialist care she needs. Do you think carer's allowance anywhere near compensates the loss of my career?

Working the system? over-diagnosed? if only - I do not know anyone receiving disability benefits for a child who does not deserve it but I know plenty where the child does not receive the right level of DLA and where they fight every day to get the correct provision for their child at school.

I have high blood pressure and anxiety attacks from the constant stress and worry of fighting for everything for my daughter needs. Like I really need ignorant people like you this morning. Sad. Feel like swearing at you but know it's probably what you where expecting so won't.

LadyintheRadiator · 06/10/2010 08:55

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martini82 · 06/10/2010 09:02

didnt think 'families' could diagnose thought it was a qualified professional as the DLA need to see medical evidence of it.

benandoli · 06/10/2010 09:02

hanging belly ofbabylon you deserve every penny and much more. Believe me I do know what i am talking about. In my job i am often asked to fill in dla forms and for families like you with children with real needs fine. But for every genuine family there are others trying to milk the system with no morals. I understand your anger because life with a child with sen is bloody hard and i am on your side.

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MumInBeds · 06/10/2010 09:06

If that is your job you must know that DLA is based on how it impacts your (or your child's) life not on any automatic right due to diagnosis, right?

mamalino · 06/10/2010 09:06

So what is your job then?

benandoli · 06/10/2010 09:07

oh dear i may get flamed now, just to make it clear that i work very hard for the families i work with often taking their side against non understanding teachers and other professionals. I do understand the battle. I am ann inclusion manager in a primary school (SENCo).

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mamalino · 06/10/2010 09:08

You are George Osborne aren't you?

benandoli · 06/10/2010 09:08

Many families are too humble to admit the strain and extra care a child needs but others exaggerate to work the system.

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mamalino · 06/10/2010 09:08

God help us all then

martini82 · 06/10/2010 09:10

how do you know they exaggerate? do you go and live with them for a week to see what its really like behind closed doors??

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/10/2010 09:13

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ANTagony · 06/10/2010 09:27

As a parent of a high functioning ASD child, without any disability benefits I hope I can enlighten you on your query.

I was a higher rate tax payer in a very good job but had consistent problems with my elder sons behaviour. The stress of his challenging behaviour was a contributary factor in his father leaving, child carers and play groups not being able to cope with him and then when he started part time school being phoned and called in several times a week, when he was regularly sent home. As a single parent of then 1 and 3 year olds I reduced my working hours (for my own business) to part time and we lived below the poverty line because ironically I kept working.

School assessed him as ADHD which didn't fit with my findings at home but with the help of two educational psychiatrists, physio, occupational therapy, speech and language therapy, three GPs, two community paediatricians, a community psyciatrist, an emotional play specialist and now the CAMHS unit we are finally getting a full assessment report as ASD which means we can get him statemented to finally get some support for him. Its taken three and a half years of several days a week, no support (I have another child) and a forced change of schools. At the stage we changed schools and had to sell our house I stopped work. Very fortunately I've met and married a wonderful man who has taken on board our challenging family and enables me to commit the support needed to bring an element of harmony to family life.

My DS is unable to attend after school clubs, some day time school activities, child care, or be picked up by other mums as a favour because his behaviour is not yet in the normal range. Its a one hour drive to the hospital where we go a couple of times a week to see specialists. Our life routine needs to be strict so that he doesn't freak out and do damage to himself and others. Support available whilst we get a lot of specialist advise is not able to develop him to be a contributory part of society so self education is critical. Reading up on management techniques and reviewing his weekly needs with the school again takes time.

At the end of a school day we need to review the day and discuss how to handle each emotional incident, do physio and occupational therapy exercises, get him through a plate of food (around an hour) and very carefully handle washing and teeth brushing which are very distressing and take up to an hour. We then need to very carefully handle his bedtime routine because changes in this can result in no sleep which makes the next day even more challenging.

The costs involved are losing my life (working and social) and having to give up my well paid job and pension, travel to hospital and specialists, buying specialist materials for occupational therapy and physio, extra childcare for second child, buying educational materials to enable him to develop potentially to operate within societies norms. Even if we had the money things like holidays and days out are not an option because they represent a change in routine that can cause major stress.

I have every confidence that with ongoing input he will be a higher rate tax payer, his IQ is through the roof. He just needs a lot of input to learn to interpret emotions and non rational responses and language. ASD is not curable but is in part 'treatable' with the right input and support. However parental support is very draining and isolating.

If you have children do you remember that phase of being exhausted at 3 in the morning and for no reason what so ever your little angel wont stop screaming the house down?

ASD can be like this, every day. Because the brain works in a foreign way understanding the distress of the child and helping them work through it/ find a way out of it is challenging. Add to the screaming abusive ranting and quick fire rounds of complex questioning and you're soon beyond exhausted.

I've no doubt what ever benefits system we have a minority of people will find fiddles however just because you can't see ASD it doesn't mean that the practical and physical support needs aren't their.

bigcar · 06/10/2010 09:42

so now you've changed your stance from disability benefits should be cut, to the system should be able to identify those fiddling the system Hmm

children can behave very differently at home to the way they do in school, that's any child, not just those with sn.

anything you want to buy for a child with sn has a massively inflated price. Take vests/bodysuits with poppers that can keep wandering hands out of nappies, age 3-5 years would be £9 each plus p+p, you could get 9 vests for that in age 2-3 years from tesco.

expatinscotland · 06/10/2010 09:45

It just gets worse and worse. I'm starting to think this board has been infiltrated by American TeaBaggers.

VJay · 06/10/2010 09:48

I appretiate that there will be some fiddling the system but please don't tar all ASD sufferers and their families with the same brush. Judge each case individually. What has annoyed me about your OP is that you specifically bring up ASD as an example. As if it isn't hard enough for us already!!!!Angry

BoysAreLikeDogs · 06/10/2010 09:50

you are a SENCO? and you don't know that parents can't diagnose ADHD ? and you don't know how bloody difficult it is to get a diagnosis? and you've never considered the impact on families' finances ?

jeez

pagwatch · 06/10/2010 09:51

If you wrote that ignorant, ill informed opening post, and then claim to be an inclusion manager you are either a lying twat or an incompetant twat.

Which is it?

Or maybe I misunderstood. Perhaps you are indeed Ann Inclusion-Manager and an unfortunate name choice by your parents has left you open to misunderstanding and accusations of twattery

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